WHO DID IT WORST?

Curse of Michael Myers is awful, and the worst of the three

H6 directors cut > JGTH> Freddy's Dead >>>>>> H6

H6DC still had the awesomeness that was Donald Pleasence who can shine even in a pile of shit
JGtH wasn't really a Jason movie, but it at least still felt like a horror movie. it's still far from New Beginning levels of bad, which tried to trick you into thinking it's a Jason movie. I like some of the comedic elements in this (summoning Jason with nudity, the FBI shooting the shit out of Jason, Jason killing people in a scene that looks like a gory 3 stooges skit, etc) without going full horror-comedy like Freddy's Dead
Freddy's Dead was a bad comedy. there's no horror to be had anymore, and the story felt like a bad greatest hits album of the series prior. even the ending credits feel like they just made this while stoned off their asses

Halloween 6's theatrical cut was just awful. they cut out Loomis and replaced him with some of the worst editing I've seen in this series and the introduction of shitty jump-scares

Producer's cut of Halloween at least has a cool ending. Loomis screaming his head off while Michael gives a little nod to the audience before walking away in disguise. Slightly kino.

Jason goes to Hell was fucking shit, and I've only seen the first three freddy movies.

What about when the supernatural elements are over-explained and it ruins the mystique for the rest of the franchise?

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HR III already turned the franchise to shit but I'll grant you that Alan Smithee did the franchise no favors.

Halloween 6 was significantly worse than the rest.
>Michael controlled by cult now
>Cult commands him to rape Jamie (?)
>entire plot is forced Samhain bullshit
>ending is either Paul Rudd vs Michael in a proto MMA match or Paul Rudd casting rock magic spells

Despite how bad Hell on Earth was, I still had a good time watching it. CD will go down as one of the most kino movie monsters of all time. Terrible horror movie, terrible Hellraiser movie, decent as a comedy.

>all of these movies changed the rules
Freddy's Dead really doesn't change the rules that much, and even in Curse of Michael Myers, it's still Michael Myers. The Jason of Jason Goes To Hell is so different from the rest of the series and disconnected from all the other movies that he's basically an entirely different character, and for most of the movie, he isn't even himself, he's possessing other people's bodies, so his trademark look isn't even there.
It'd be like taking, I dunno, Child's Play 3 and calling that "Friday the 13th Part 9: The Final Friday." Hell, if I did that, it'd be at least slightly more connected to the rest of the franchise because at least then it has the same name.

>Jason goes to Hell

Jason goes to Hell is a boring lame rip off from this better movie:

youtube.com/watch?v=p8VNdos7yew

Jason Goes to Hell is not even original or clever
just a fucking rip off

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Every Halloween movie was the final installment until the next one came out

Fred's Dead was much better than Dream Child.

> it's still far from New Beginning levels of bad, which tried to trick you into thinking it's a Jason movie
The fuck is wrong with you?

ON HALLOWEEN 6!

PC is FAR fucking better.

My review of both cuts.

SPOILERS!

Part 1!
> While like 5's mask the neck here is still a little too large the rest of the mask is a big improvement over 4-5 & h20.
> Anyone who dislike Myers's conflicted behavior and tears in 5 should be pleased with his absolute zero hesitation in killing Jamie in ether version of this film.
> I am not sure which version of Jamie's death I prefer. The weak stabbing & hospital assassination of the PC seems anti climatic for the character, but the farm implement shredding of the TC seems too mean spirited & brutal for a character we spent the last 2 films watching as a desperate sympathetic child.
> Seeing Loomis happy and almost at peace during his 1st scene is very nice and a big change of pace from the way we have always seen him up to this point in the franchise. This early sequence with him & Dr.Wynn is a longer and better in the PC. (the film could definitely use more of their interaction & Wynn in general however)
> The TC stupidly cuts out Loomis's reaction to finding Jamie.
> Rudd is decent here, he gets a few sweet moment with Jamie's baby but overall is fairly emotionless (purposefully).
> There are a few moments towards the end of the TC were Rudd gets to show more emotion then in the PC, moments were he is clearly petrified and can't do anything but semi chuckle in despair.
> Marianne Hagan as Kara Strode is a likeable very sympathetic and motherly final girl.
> General editing in the PC is vastly better, the TC uses a very lame, very 90s style of showing abrupt harsh flashes of gruesome images jarringly between shots. Pace of the PC is slower and feels alot more franchise appropriate.
> The lighting is better in the PC.

Part 2!

> Some absolutely beautiful shots throughout the film such as the long hallway shots inside Smith's grove or the final snot of Myers leaving the Asylum wearing the stolen Man in Black suit. (Would have liked to have seen a sequel with him wearing such + the mask of course)
> Scores are different, both are good but the PC has a more classical version of the theme & utilizes it's score better overall.
> The PC's handling of the cult and explaining their goals/motives is VASTLY superior to the TC, PC they rightfully stick purely to the supernatural & handles such with reasonable subtlety, the TC tries to make it about mad science & doesn't explain it barely at all.
> Scenes showing the connective tissue between 5's ending and this film are cut out of the TC.
> The operating room massacre is cool I guess but there is no reason given in the TC's story as to why Myers would turn on the cult out of the blue with nothing at all triggering that turn. Nor is it shown who/what the cult doctors were operating on when Myers interrupted.
> The TC's cut of John's death with his head exploding is ludicrous.
> Myers "defeat" by magic runes in the PC while not flashy or epic at all is a lot more believable and natural to the story up to that point then TC's defeat by having skinny ass Paul Rudd beat him with a pipe, regardless of what poisons Rudd pumped him full of before the beating.
> Ending fate's for Loomis there is no comparison, the TC is a absolute insult to Pleasence, ending the film with his off screen screams without explanation. The PC gives him a cruel but poetically appropriate ending.
> That said It's never explained why Wynn was giving up his position as Myer's handler (a throwaway line about him having cancer or something would have sufficed) nor why he would choose Loomis who is obviously older and more frail then him.

> Overall, the TC is a absolutely pathetic butchering of the PC which IMO is a full on good film. (far from perfect but good) Makes me wonder what is missing from the much more ambitious Hellraiser Bloodlines which I have heard was similarly edited to hell by the same company.

Was it the fucking cunt Weinstein who cut these to pieces?

Halloween

Bloodlines must get points for at least taking the space setting seriously unlike Jason X and the spanning multiple generations aspect was reasonably well done & ambitious.

>Freddy's Dead was a bad comedy. there's no horror to be had anymore, and the story felt like a bad greatest hits album of the series prior. even the ending credits feel like they just made this while stoned off their asses

This is why I'm ok with it, its clearly knowing there's not much to do with this iteration of the character and it was time to retire him. since so many past movies already worked as a fitting movie. So they just had fun with it. I get its not everyone's cup of tea and its not satisfactory but in a marathon it works.

New Nightmare serves as a better, proper ending to the series, but giving the character that going away tour first works as a setup to it.

>Cult commands him to rape Jamie (?)

Only in the producers' cut. In the theatrical it was artificial insemination.

JASON GOES TO HELL

Pros!
> Most mature well acted cast of the franchise. Lead male is slightly endearingly dorky but very likable.
> Solid final girl.
> Duke is cool & mysterious.
> Great Jason make up & stature, he is imposing as fuck.
> Best gore of the series.
> Has among the 3 best sex scene of the series.
> Great opening.
> Great finale.
> Great diner shootout.
> Solid score.

Cons!
> Duke is underused.
> Jason's outfit is generic.
> The claws that drag Jason to hell look kinda cheap.
> Not enough Jason.
> Jason looking exactly like he did when he was killed after being resurrected through Diana's body is weird. Should have brought him back like he looked in P3 without any battle damage.
> Weird shaving scene.

Things that some people will like & some will hate!
> It's a fucking great body swapping horror film but that is not what one wants from a F13 film.

What I would have done different within reason...
> Never have Diana's body be moved to the Voorhees house. Have the morgue be built into the police station and so when CampbellJason attacks the police station he resurrects himself there and so the whole diner massacre sequence has him in his traditional Jason body.

I dont think jason goes to hell is that bad really. Halloween 6 is pure dogshit by comparison

Take out the demon princess shit, add a few lingering gore shots, and make a better ending and it could be a soft 7/10.

As a kid, my autistic cousin would make me watch Jason goes to hell over and over. He was obsessed with the movie. I must have watched it close to 100 times because of him. So I can definitively say that it is absolute fucking trash of the highest order. Jason is a fucking worm, or slug monster, or something. I mean, what the absolute fuck? Truly awful.