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Based on the three silent movies I've seen of his I think he may be the only Classical Hollywood director who might end up being greater than Ford, although given the expansiveness of Ford's filmography its probably an imperfect comparison. Definitely excited to go through his collaborations with Dietrich.
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what's the best from him so far?
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>I decided to not include those four because I couldn't find posters for them. I think there are already enough Nasreddin films on it anyway
True, we really don't need to overdo it. But it looks like you haven't included It Was a Faint Dream (1974) yet.
I couldn't bump the previous thread to save it. I was watching Gone With The Wind. Interesting to see a pro-confederacy type film that paints the Yanks badly, and the South was this beautiful, whimsical paradise before the war. Good film, but the lead has questionable characteristics.
I like how much it triggers lefties too. HBO is stupid to remove it off their platform to appease libs.
Real question: Are Ford and Sternberg really arthouse? I guess I don't know why classic and arthouse are lumped together. Most people I know who watch old movies aren't really into arthouse stuff
Sternberg in particular is surprising to me. He often seems depicted like some ultra serious arthouse sort of director. I probably wouldn't watch them if I only knew him from how he's talked about. But his movies are so pulpy and wild, like Dishonored. And then John Ford is mostly big budget stuff like Grapes of Wrath, Young Mr. Lincoln, Mogambo, Donovan's Reef - all great movies (maybe not Mogambo, Red Dust is way better I think) but none of which I would consider arthouse
King Vidor is better. I also can't really say Sternberg better than Ford though.
>I guess I don't know why classic and arthouse are lumped together.
because the thread was originally started just to have a place to discuss films Zig Forums never talked about
This is neat. I'll definitely check out Buster Keaton and John Wayne.
>But it looks like you haven't included It Was a Faint Dream (1974) yet
I'll add it to the next revision
Got it. In that case I will drop Sergeant York here. I rewatched this for Thanksgiving and it's still great. Basically split into two halves: first half is life in a really poor town in the 1910's, second half is bootcamp then some war scenes. Really great varied movie, and I love the depiction of poor/small town life in this time period. It's the 1910's but they're living like it's the 1800's.
I only watch old movies anymore because they have so much more heart than movies today do. My favorite bit from this is when he's trying to bargain out buying some land, and the guy wants $70 for it and the time limit to buy it is 60 days. And he tells York (a drunk loser) that that's over a dollar a day and he won't likely do it. But York says he actually has 60 days and 60 nights to get the money, not just 60 days. Cue montage of him working day and night, splitting trees and ploughing fields and so on. That scene gets me every time. I work day and night because I have a child and a dream. Modern hollywood laughs at that or doesn't care. The movies and tv shows produced today feel like they are for mentally stunted losers who have no ambition and have basically given up to the drink and depression. I don't know how any well balanced individual can watch it
Anyway give this one a watch if you all haven't, it's great
I also watched Wagon Master the other day by Ford. Not my favorite from him, sort of standard fare. Like a week or two ago on here someone was asking if there were any movies about mormons and I didn't know or any, but here is one, not ironic at all, just a movie about mormons trying to get to some land where they won't be persecuted. Funny character who blows this horn loudly, played by the woman who played Ma Jode in his grapes of wrath.
Ford says this is his favorite but I don't see it. I'm guessing it was a smooth and fun production and that might mess with how he sees the movie. It's fine but has less memorable scenes than a great movie ought to have
The rest of the world has yet to catch up with forward thinking truthspeakers.
Between Underworld, The Last Command and Docks of New York I am split between the former two. I really liked Underworld, I enjoyed it more than Little Caesar, The Public Enemy and Scarface. The characters were more interesting and it wasn't as overtly condemning or sanctimonious as those later mob films were. Definitely more psychologically penetrating than most films I've seen from that period.
The Last Command is so fucking good as well though, I love the operatic quality of it. When the bridge collapsed killing everyone on the train I couldn't help but assume that the similar scene in the climax of Lars Von Trier (another fake Von) was directly inspired by it.
I'm really intrigued by Sternberg's style, there's a painterly quality to his images that in Classical Hollywood I only see at that level in Ford's work. Realistically though while I think I'm going to really enjoy the Dietrich movies based on what I've seen, the breadth of Ford's achievements is so fucking monumental that it would be very hard for me to put Von Sternberg over him if I'm being realistic.
He sounds really interesting, I really want to see The Crowd.
>I only watch old movies anymore because they have so much more heart than movies today do
Watch Cimino, McBride, and Rafelson then.
>He sounds really interesting, I really want to see The Crowd.
Try him and Anthony Mann and Jacques Tourneur.
The Usual Suspects, should I bother with Singer? Has more capeshit in his filmography and that awful Queen film.
What makes Vidor outstanding, is his use of socialist realism in his silents, which makes him a defining classical auteur of his era. Most importantly, The Crowd provides a heavy influence from German expressionism. I believe his The Crowd is visually more compelling compared to say, Sternberg's Scarlett Empress, though each has their own merits. I would check out The Big Parade as well.
If you have interest in silents or any of the classical talkies, look into French auteurs like Gremillion, Clair, Renoir, Kirsanoff, etc...
No of course not
Watch The King of Marvin Gardens instead
Fountainhead and War and Peace are his masterpieces
What did he mean by this?
Citizen kane then Mank for me tomorrow then, what am i in for
Overrated, but still kino
Dogshit.
A disappointing day.
I am going to watch a movie tonight
Death in Venice
Dancer In The Dark
Elephant Man
El Topo
Amour
Marketa Lazarova
Day for Night
or
Damnation
Pls pick
What are some good films?
Stanley Kubrick
Christopher Nolan
Darren Aronofsky
Denis Villeneuve
Ari Aster
I just listed 5 of the best directors OF ALL TIME. Do what you want with that ;)
elephant man, i cri
whats welles' best film?
Lex, the Wonder Dog
Der Sex-Agent
why are 4 out of 5 jewish?
Elephant Man for sure
I think Andy Warhol was a good filmmaker
I don't think Nolan and Villeneuve are jews
oops yeah you're right
Oh, I see the other four after Kubrick are jokes. Well, Aranofsky is fine in my book.
I've seen Marketa, I would recommend it.
Kino, and Whatever Fincher tries to do. I'd love to see more from Welles when I get the chance.
Is this the new
>another webmless thread
Anyway, I haven't watched enough Warhol to give a good answer, but his films are either too "art" for art house (a bunch of stuff is more like the type of stuff played on loop at a museum/gallery versus a theater, even an arthouse theater), or a little too much "exploitation," at least for tastes here, in my experience. His films had their importance culturally, along with his other art, but taken alone, what do you pull from them? I wouldn't know how his films viewed today might be illuminating in understanding or experience film construction or film technique, and I see their major relevance in understanding culture.