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Cameron Hill
There are so many subtle references and allegories to Nietzschean philosophy in this short scene. Hotheads will never understand.
When Agent Wilson calls Bane a "big guy" he's clearly referencing him as the Übermensch, while himself indulges in slave morality represented by the authoritarian institution that is Central Intelligence Agency. Note how Wilson never references himself as his real name. There is no individuality in him, only CIA. The essence of slave morality (represented as the "flight plan", opposed to master morality - the "master plan") is utility: the good is what is most useful for the whole community, not the strong. But he does not see beyond initial good and evil.
Also prior to the scene, Wilson shoots out of the plane without actually killing anyone. He does so out of misguided anger, furious that neither faith in god nor scientific knowledge has not given him the rest or respite he desires. At the same time, CIA shooting the sky symbolizes the death of God as a source of morality for people, leading to the unhooding of Bane, the Übermensch.
When Bane crashes the plane with no survivors, he's crashing the entire worldview based on slave morality. He's crashing old thoughts and institutions such as religions (Christianity for example). He's crashing secular humanism. He's crashing herd mentality. He's crashing even himself, as he overcomes his former self to become the over-man. In this crash, a fire rises in the wreckage - the triumph of "life" over "logic"
Then, in the end Bane reminds Dr. Pavel that "Now is not the time for fear, that comes later!" The world is necessarily moved in a cycle, endlessly repeating all past events due to finite amount of matter and infinite amount of time. In this eternal recurrence, the plane crash will repeat - again and again.
But if life triumphs over logic, the only meaning is life then is the will to power, that means the big guy will always be in charge here.
Sebastian Rivera
You mean like batman v superman
Austin Diaz
Any anti-American films that can fulfill my desire to see America collapse and millions of Americans die while they scream, desperately trying to prevent their painful demise and slowly succumbing to the fact that they will perish in this world and because of their satanic deeds they won't find rest in another, I want to see their eyes change, become dull and lifeless, their bodies convulse and burn in the hellfire that shall be send upon them by the God almighty.
Easton Watson
american hours
fuck americans
can't even keep a thread alive
capeshit watching
Isaiah Bennett
>intellectual
Mason Baker
Is there really that much to realism as Andre Bazin thought and wrote about?
Gavin Parker
Based
Ryder Robinson
So Fincher shits on Welles?
Austin White
All three movies are incredible, you should absolutely watch Kagero-za and Yumeji. The latter two stick with me more than Zigeunerweisen, although I've really liked it both times I've seen it; I should probably rewatch it myself.
Ayden Roberts
FUCK EUROPEAN CINEMA
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Isaiah Morales
I know its been said before here, but source?
Joseph Williams
I love Barbara Stanwyck in Double Indemnity. Wilder's best film imo.
Luke Parker
I have a job - luckily I can work from home, but I can't spend all my time on Zig Forums either.
>There should only be a credit for director in films anyway, so I don't care either way. Fincher should die and hopefully that Satanic Kael is rotting in hell, while Cimino cums in her skull.
I think so, if you look beyond his writings, and view the films either he promoted or were inspired by his writings, you'll see a marked difference in technique and construction vs other films aiming at a more subdued attempts at verisimilitude, like the Neorealists. He presents a view in which reality can almost "assault" the viewer in emotion and power, challenging the form, but never abandoning the idea that it is reality that is being presented (my words, not his, but built upon what a lot of others have said, like Antonioni, Godard, Welles, etc.)
North Korean propaganda and ISIS videos
Luke Hill
I think it's from Bitter Rice, not 100% certain though
Bentley Thomas
I do my best to bump it.
Brayden Lopez
What should I watch next Days of Heaven or Age of Innocene or After Hours?
Blake Morgan
He does it poorly, even if his actor got his voice right, the execution stinks. He's not being subtle about it too.
James Cook
>After Hours
Curious about this one myself. Apparently, Good Time is its equivalent.
Lucas Moore
Hack. I rather watch a well-made documentary over this controversy I have never heard of since this film's announcement.
Andrew Fisher
90% of modern Hollywood directors love Kael, it makes sense. Plus her theory on Welles, I don't think it's as far off as people claim - her plagiarism for those ideas from Howard Suber were more egregious. Not arguing she's a great critic, but she's like the Spielberg or Coppola of film critics. She's hated to much here but really she has a /film/ personality lol, knowing the shit that's shilled here
>She has everything that a great critic needs except judgment. And I don't mean that facetiously. She has great passion, terrific wit, wonderful writing style, huge knowledge of film history, but too often what she chooses to extol or fails to see is very surprising.
Jaxon Wood
This is from the Andre Bazin "book" on Renoir
Don't all films do this?
Brandon Brown
I take back what I said about americans
Andrew Hill
I was surprised by just how long her career was, even acting since the silent era.
I watched Bitter tears of general Yen lately and I liked the back and forth between her and the actor playing the General.
Also the latter disappeared into his role enough so that the yellow face thing didn't seem weird.
At least watch a couple of North Korean films out of curiosity or some old south Korean films in the youtube film archive.
Bumping, bumping to the level of a damned spring in the spring yard zone.
Always felt it took until the middle of after hours to really get going for me comically.
I love Malick and I think days of heaven is his best along with Badlands, I feel, when I watch his impressionist style.
You have to be in the mood for his films though.
To the one that recommend picture related, thank you for doing so, I have my thoughts on it here: letterboxd.com
Ayden Hill
It's definitely a skip. I had very low expectations going in, and it didn't touch me at all. I can't get over the fact that Fincher included the scene with Welles throwing tantrums over Mankiewicz's alcoholism, and saying he wants credit for the script from RKO. It just feels contrary to what Welles is personally. Nothing was shown to understand how Kane was made, except just a typical Hollywood story focused on the struggles of Mankiewicz.
Anthony Rodriguez
I'm Irish and posting American hours!
Wasn't big on Zigeunerweisen felt he was just working out a different stage of his career, the films that followed are a step up I think and I'd consider the weirdness of Kagero-za's second half a career best.
Logan Rodriguez
does /film/ approve of Hong Sang-soo?
Zachary Reed
I've gotten rather bored of hollywood biopics.
Hudson Rogers
You need to stop passive aggressively shilling her you really need to die too. Jesus Christ, only you mention her ever.
David Reed
>"Renoir brings to the screen not a story but themes"
>Don't all films do this?
...no, actually. I was gonna complain that you literally just took a single sentence by Bazin out of context, but a lot of films, especially modern ones, have no deeper themes or ideas, and you just follow plot, characters, and action. Capeshit is too easy of any example, but even Scorsese or Coppola often don't go far past this in some of their mafia movies. The themes that people pull from those films are just people reading into the story - that's not bad, but Bazin says you can do more with film. If you take the Neoformalist approach (like Bordwell), you'll find that the technique and construction of a bunch of those mafia examples add very little - and if a film does little more to bring out those themes, versus the book it's based on, is it really a great film?
Wyatt Carter
What are the top 25 films of all time?
Jacob Ortiz
Yes. Tale of Cinema is simply kino.
Chase Turner
Seethe more lol. And I really only mention her when she's brought up or connected to the discussion, Mank is completely based on her "theories" - same with Spielberg or a bunch of New Hollywood too. I was greatly enjoying the last thread where Bazin was brought up, obviously I'd rather discuss his ideas.
Landon Long
Renoir ended up being a bit more hit or miss than I'd have thought.
Justin Barnes
And Fincher sucks so kindly kys
Samuel Reyes
You mean, Howard Suber's theories?
Autism levels seem quite high today
Ethan Jones
Post your Letterboxd please.
Elijah Baker
my bad, here's the full paragraph
it's in the literature mega folder too
"Andre Bazin - Jean Renoir"
Alexander Fisher
>Autism levels seem quite high today
Yes on your end, nobody cares about Kael or Fincher. Too much fucking Americanism on this board lately, discuss Japanese filmmakers or do not post.
Easton Cox
forgot to post the image