Any user from this shithole ?
>huge taxes
>unaffordable houses because of constant flow of immigration
>working yields almost same as someone on ocmw/cpas
>cucked nations beyond repair, focusing on cat problem atm instead of thousands other real problems
how do you make it user
>how do you make it user
you either born in money or you don't
user can you translate french?
I asked tax authorities if I have to pay taxes to cashout a long term btc investment but translating it on google seems like a meme-non-answer
yes i can send ur shit
and u should use fucking DEEPL and google u dipshit faggot thank me later
Post content, can probably translate to English. Don't expect much though
> huge taxes
yes. that's why I have moved myself into a comfy job. I only work 4 hours a day get paid 8. I'e been here for more than a year. After this i'll go on benifits for a year,
> working yields almost same as being on benifits
Working hard for a boss is the most stupid thing you can do in Belgium.
However despite the many retarded things of Belgium Policy, this place is basically heaven.
> get to France, Lux, Netherlands and Germany in max ~2 hours
> lax laws, you don't go to jail for petty crime or drugs
> lax laws, they don't bother you if you do illegal work
> lax laws, they don't bother you if you evade tax
> laws, theres so many loopholes, if can get away with almost anything .
I mean. I drive to the Netherlands, buy me some grade A weed and shrooms. Drive back to my home, get pulled over by cops, they don't really care and let me pass. The cop asks me how I bought my fat Tesla. I tell him I'm on benefits. he says ok I drive away. I come home and do a shroom trip. The next morning I'm SO faded. I am working from home but don't really do anything until 14:00, then I work an hour or two and quit. should I go on?
belgiancuck here, we're doomed. saved 50k with my gf and still can't get a loan for a decent house. government is an absolute mess, nobody knows what they're doing here. the taxes are insane.
we also should definitely split with wallonia.
pt. 1/2
Madame, Monsieur,
Tout d’abord, nous devons attirer votre attention sur le fait que le Contact Center du Service Public Fédéral des Finances ne se prononce pas de façon formelle et définitive sur les conséquences fiscales de situations particulières dont il ne connait pas tous les éléments de faits et de droits susceptibles d’étayer sa position.
Cela étant, nous pouvons vous communiquer ce qui suit, sur le plan des principes.
En ce qui concerne les personnes physiques, une distinction doit être faite, pour les revenus générés par les opérations liées aux bitcoins et autres crypto monnaies.
Lorsque ces opérations se situent dans le cadre de l'activité professionnelle, elles doivent en principe être considérées comme des revenus professionnels visés aux article 24, 27 et 28 du Code des impôts sur les revenus 1992 (CIR 92) (bénéfices ou profits).
De tels revenus sont imposables au taux progressif.
Si ces opérations se déroulent en dehors de l'activité professionnelle, une distinction doit être opérée, selon qu'elles résultent de la gestion normale d'un patrimoine privé ou qu'il s'agit d'opérations spéculatives.
pt 2/2
La notion de "gestion d'un patrimoine privé" est définie comme suit dans le Rapport de la Commission des Finances du Sénat (Doc. 366, session 1961-1962, p. 147).
" La gestion d'un patrimoine privé se distingue en fait de l'exercice d'une occupation lucrative ou de la spéculation, tant par la nature des biens - immeubles, valeurs de portefeuille, objets mobiliers (tous biens dont se compose normalement un patrimoine privé) - que par la nature des actes accomplis relativement à ces biens : ce sont les actes qu'un bon père de famille accomplit, non seulement pour la gestion courante, mais aussi pour la mise à fruit, la réalisation et le remploi d'éléments d'un patrimoine, c'est-à-dire des biens qu'il a acquis par succession, donation ou par épargne personnelle, ou encore en remploi de biens aliénés."
Ne peuvent être considérés comme des actes de gestion normale d'un patrimoine privé - quelle qu'en soit la composition - ceux qui, notamment en raison de leur répétition, correspondent en fait à l'exercice d'une activité professionnelle ou d'une occupation lucrative (à noter que de tels revenus doivent être imposés à titre de revenus professionnels).
La "spéculation" peut être décrite comme étant une transaction comportant de nombreux risques et pour laquelle il existe une possibilité de réaliser un bénéfice important ou, le cas échéant, une lourde perte, en raison de hausses ou de baisses de prix survenus.
Les revenus tirés de la gestion normale d'un patrimoine privé ne sont pas imposables.
Par contre, si ces revenus proviennent d'une opération spéculative, ces revenus sont imposables à titre de revenus divers visés à l'article 90, 1°, CIR 92 et au taux distinct de 33%.
Il appartient en premier ressort, à l'agent taxateur du service du centre de contrôle dont vous dépendez, de se prononcer sur la qualification à donner à ces revenus.
Sincères salutations
>Work one year full time
>Get fired
>You now earn 85% of your old salary in sweet chomage
>Justify your unemployement but studying language or learning new skills. They are very laxist at chasing you if you have a white name
>Invest in real estate because rent is not taxed
Congrats, you made it. Remember to vote PS to have the gig go on.
The Belgian is as nothing without an Icelandic Man
belgium? isn't that just a buffer zone so that the germans and french don't go to war every other day?
the problem is that I still cannot understand what are the real criteria for btc taxation, this shit is so fuzzy
I'm holding for more than 1 year
I never used loans to do crazy things, just regular money management with my own already taxed money
but I'm all in in BTC
do I have to pay these shitty capital gain or not? thinking to fuck off somewhere else to cashout
Belgium laws are vague but it comes down to this: if you invest and hold then you are not egible to pay captial gains. if you speculate then you are. but every case is looked at seperately and there are no general rules.
So to be safe, you could HOLD for one year and not pay tax cause you didn't speculate.
either way if its small amounts ( under 1 million euros ) , just don't worry and do whatever. they don't really care unless you are making the big money. ( especially if its IT related )
Voor zo ver ik weet geld het goede huisvader-principe. Geen gekke investeringen waarbije je koopt en verkoopt als een gek. Dus meer dan een jaar houden is op zich al goed. Verder heb ik geen idee welke regels er zijn omtrent cryptotaxatie. Kenmerkend voor dit kutland is het weer zo vaag as fuck.
Move out of Brussels or its suburbs, it's not worth it bro. I'm fucking off to flanders later this year
Flanders belongs to the Greater Dutch Reich and we will liberate south africa together brother.
if you are wall*on though, go to hell
Maybe try solving some crimes
NOOO YOU CAN'T CRITICIZE A CUTE CAT NOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN LEE-ERINO
seems comfy, i might look at jobs with same schedule as yours, and its fucking true, no matter what you do you will never end in jail here, respecting law here is a big no no.
yes definitely, Brussels being the biggest shithole, no one works, police constantly get beat up, people with MASTER sharing apartment with multiple other people so they can pay their rent, meanwhile you got that guy on social benefit driving 30k car. absolutely cuckening, this country is not for hard working people.
Yeah, we should split this bitch up. Fuck Belgium
gebaseerd
if you've held for more than a year, you're good to go. you only have to pay taxes if you trade regularly. they're vague in their answers because they don't know what to do themselves.
If you were smart about it you would take advantage of the laxist fiscal laws to invest in real estate in wallonia (wayyy more affordable than in bx/flanders) and grow your net worth almost tax-free.
You hate wallonian leeches ? Then be their landlord and leech them back.
t.walloon, I've been doing that for 2y, ridiculously easy
>So to be safe, you could HOLD for one year and not pay tax cause you didn't speculate.
>if you've held for more than a year, you're good to go.
are you sure? anybody tried with 600K? usually my bank account has an average of 10k, pumping it to 600+ will definitely trigger some alerts I think
> Les revenus tirés de la gestion normale d'un patrimoine privé ne sont pas imposables.
>Par contre, si ces revenus proviennent d'une opération spéculative, ces revenus sont imposables à titre de revenus divers visés à l'article 90, 1°, CIR 92 et au taux distinct de 33%.
well there is your answer faggot
if you inherited those btc you pay no taxes
if you made money trading them you have to pay 33% on the gains
just cash out in chunks less than 10k, those won't trigger alerts. and even if they do check up on you, you're probably still good to go if you can can provide proof that you've been holding all this time.
t.belgian accounting/taxes student graduating next year
>Not a literal translation.
Dear Sir or Madam,
Disclaimer: we can't give an accurate answer if we don't know your particular situation (in regards to facts or law) so keep in mind that this is not a definite answer. [guessing you should hire an accountant to do the tax declaration, as they will know the specifics of both the law and your situation]
However, we can still tell you the following.
If the transactions were in a professional setting [should not be your case] they should be declared as professional earnings, meaning you will be taxed to on profits. The progressive rate will be applied.
If it was personal, you must distinguish between speculation and private "estate". [Either you play the market or this considered part of your wealth like a house be]
... [Seems quite obvious but doesn't seem to apply to your case as you're on Zig Forums so not translating this part]
If you traded often it's not patrimony.
Profits from your patrimony are not taxable.
If the profits come from speculative actions, they are taxable at a 33% rate.
The tax agent from the Control Center to which you are assigned must first define the nature of your profits.
>TL;DR We don't know jack about your situation, here's some trivia about patrimony and speculation, go talk to your task agent and he will go through ther process with you
Kinda feel bad for you user, but nothing of value is in this mail.
i actually might do that, thanks user not bad idea, because of the constantly "growing" population i am pretty sure the prices will also ramp up in Wallonia in near future, Do you watch out more for houses than apartments ?
they are right, hold a little more if you feel concerned
Where are you from ? It depends if you want less pain in the ass tenants or higher yield. Big houses with lots of bedrooms for kots is more money but more pain, 2-3 bedrooms flats is less money but more security
To add to that holding for one year might be considered patrimony/property. Go ask your task agent.