What effect will automation have on the working class?

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I have like 20 different versions of this chart saved to my computer in different locations. It's the most important economic chart of the last half century and it constantly boggles my mind that people can look at it and not become instantly filled with rage and bloodlust against owners of capital.

Laborers are working for half as much compensation as has historically ever been the case before 1970, and they don't seem to give a fuck about it.

Automation is a meme. Your living in peak humanity. It's all downhill from here.

How much of that can be contributed to technology though? I do agree with you. I just had my little $1,000 bonus cut working for a billionaire that is currently getting hundreds of millions of dollars from the government (tax payers) in handouts.

What happened during the 70's?

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+ off the gold standard

but the productivity chart went up

>find one chart correlation that looks neat
What's never said is how the USA's boom in the 40s/50s/60s is due to it destroying the white European civilization for the Jews and rearranging the world economy for their benefit. What you see now is reality catching up to it. Americans are less productive than other countries' laborers. There's no reason they should expect to live in luxury while administering all the people that actually create communities and value.

They're working for half as much per unit of productivity than they ever have before. Owners of capital (primarily technology, computers, etc which have fueled this increased productivity per $ of wage figure) have pocketed the difference. This relationship would be fine if it had trickled down in the form of cheaper prices for the masses, but we mostly haven't seen that except for retarded gadgets and bigscreen TVs. Things people actually need (food, housing, health insurance) have not been getting cheaper, they in fact have been skyrocketing. A house costs 8x the median salary when historically it's been 4x - again, a halving of purchasing power vs historic trends.

Tech isn't bad and squeezing more productivity and generating more wealth out of a worker's time isn't bad. In fact it's the whole point of the arc of technological progress, really, to do more using less. But if there is not a mechanism to ensure that wealth is enjoyed broadly by everyone, then this all inevitably leads to pitchforks and guillotines.

Scream about gibs and handouts, it doesn't matter to the point at hand. Functioning societies need a strong system of counterbalances against the natural trend of wealth and capital to accumulate unto itself, or else they will destabilize at some point when the elite own everything and the plebs own nothing, because when you own nothing and have no prospects, it also means you have nothing to lose and you may as well revolt.

Revolt isn't possible anymore. The rich have self sustaining bunkers at hundreds of unknown remote locations guarded by automated killer drones. They can easily cut the food off and resurface in one year.

Depends on how the government handles it. It can be anything from a dystopia where 1% of the population that owns the robots lives like gods and the rest barely survive in slums around them, to a utopia where everyone is given a basic income that supports a good lifestyle where people can do and work on whatever they like. Generally higher corporate taxes and stronger welfare will move us further to the latter.

stop derailing a sensible discussion with garbage shitposts. fuck you

Laborers were never relevant.
Back in rome's day they were called "slaves" and had better working and living conditions, relatively speaking.

> typical worker
> not average worker
How about you show the charge for average income instead? I'm sure incomes have risen a lot in sectors where productivity has increased a lot (e.g. tech). A "typical worker" who works at a fast food restaurant hasn't gotten a lot more productive over the past 70 years.

Are you retarded? This is precisely what the chart is showing - that as productivity has increased, people have not been compensated commensurately. It's not saying people haven't become more productive, it's saying that income has decoupled from productivity.

So to add to that, of course tech workers get paid a ton of money - because they are by and large automating a ton of shit. Even then, they get paid a fraction of value of the productivity that they generate for their overlords, relative to historic trends. This disparity increases in sectors where tech is prevalent, not decreases. I would actually bet that someone like a seasonal fruit picker would not have seen this decoupling effect as strongly because picking apples out of trees by and large is still a manual process untouched by tech.

You forgot that there is mad max and immortan Joe on the surface. Just a few thousands liters of nitroglycerin (Immortan Joe has chemists), and bye bye bunkers. As for the drones, they are not as efficient as you think they are yet, and plebs can also built robots, if they need to.
They are not as strong as you think they are, and plebs are not as weak as you think they are.

I've worked for McDonald's for over 20 years. I started at a franchised restaurant and worked my way up to work for corporate.

McDonalds uses about 30% fewer employee hours than they did 20 years ago. Inflation-adjusted sales have gone up at least 20% over that time period.

Yeah but at least we have more billionaires. That’s what counts.

White collar works are going to be automized first. That will increase profit margins of the companies a lot more compared to automizing blue collar workers.

This chart is the realization that more than about 6.9 billion people are not needed in this world.

>A "typical worker" who works at a fast food restaurant hasn't gotten a lot more productive over the past 70 years
They definitely have. Even in the last 20 years orders weren't being done as quick, and they didn't have to deal with essentially a doubled workload with people ordering fast food from home. You ever go to mcdonalds during a lunch or dinner rush? Those motherfuckers are running around like crazy, and its definitely not a job that I would do for less than $15-20/hr, but they're doing it for half that.

The fact that quite a few major corporations like mcdonalds offer instruction for their employees on how to file for food stamps speaks volumes. This also isn't going into the fact that a lot of our overseas goods are made with what amounts to slavery. Millions of factory workers in Bangladesh, for example (a lot of them children), haven't been paid a wage in 2 months and are literally starving. Yet these corporations who sell the clothes they make here are prancing around preaching racial equality and "BLM". Its a fucking joke, and most of the people at the top of our economy deserve to be in prison.

Capital apologists will tell you that people have access to more consumption than 50 years ago.
>How much of that can be contributed to technology though?
Most of it is due to technology. But technology itself doesn't create value. It has to be operated by a human to create value. Thus, it's still the human who create the value. The value the human create with technology is only amplified, but technology don't create value on it's own. It's not something new, this phenomenon exist since the begning of the industrial revolution, where each new generation of machine, operated by humans, produced way more than the previous generation.

>Yet these corporations who sell the clothes they make here are prancing around preaching racial equality and "BLM". Its a fucking joke, and most of the people at the top of our economy deserve to be in prison.
Anti-racism, feminism and gay culture are diversion from class struggle. We are currently at the begining of the biggest economical crisis since 1929, and people are manipulated to get offended by one negro who got killed by a policeman. Same for the corona virus. Deep State did well this year. Top notch cover up.

Id agree with that, its all a huge smokescreen. I'd be willing to bet that 99% of our society isn't racist, or really cares one way or another but micro race/lgtbqt/etc issues. Yet the 1% minority is given a megaphone and now that's all we hear.

Also to your previous post, I'd say surveillance tech has improved productivity a lot more than direct improvements (ie, exoskeletons so factory workers can lift heavier objects). When my girlfriend worked at a call center doing customer service, she would literally get messages if she went more than 30 seconds without starting a new ticket and marking down that she was going to the washroom. They sent out memos about how "time fraud" is stealing (literally with the cliche bandit clipart wearing a striped shirt and black eye mask). They would get on her if her support calls were taking too long, etc. There used to be a time where someone could take a quick 5 to grab a drink or eat a bag of chips or something, and no one would care. Hell, people used to just get straight up pissed drunk in their offices instead of working, and this was mostly ok unless you overdid it. Now every second of every day is closely monitored and accounted for.

Ontop of that workers are constantly pressured to be "team players" and work unpaid overtime, essentially turning their time into a ponzi scheme.

>Anti-racism, feminism and gay culture are diversion from class struggle.
Agree 100% and I steadfastly believe that race and sex inequality (to the extent they exist due to bias/discrimination - I think part of it is due to real bias and part is down to biological differences) is in fact best addressed by ignoring sex and race and attacking economic inequality and flattening wealth disparities.

Much of all discriminatory practice and open prejudice against people-who-aren't-like-you is just a very basic tribal response to a situation where you feel like there is not enough for everyone and you need to protect your ingroup. If you don't address that, then no matter what you do on the 'racial justice' side you're just moving slices of a pie around among a group of people for whom there is simply not enough pie for everyone. It just ends up being an endless fight for scraps waged along tribal lines. Until you do something about the old money, capital-owning wealth-concentrators who are hoovering up exponentially more of all global resources every generation and leaving everyone else impoverished, embittered and disenfranchised, 'racial justice', 'social justice', etc will remain pipe dreams.

It will be answered that many self-prop systems-governments, corporations, labor unions, etc.-do take care of numerous individuals who are utterly useless to them: old people, people with severe mental or physical disabilities, even criminals serving life sentences. But this is only because the systems in question still need the services of the majority of people in order to function. Humans have been endowed by evolution with feelings of compassion, because hunting-and-gathering bands thrive best when their members show consideration for one another and help one another. As long as self-prop systems still need people, it would be to the systems' disadvantage to offend the compassionate feelings of the useful majority through ruthless treatment of the useless minority. More important than compassion, however, is the self-interest of human individuals: People would bitterly resent any system to which they belonged if they believed that when they grew old, or if they became disabled, they would be thrown on the trash-heap.

But when all people have become useless, self-prop systems will find no advantage in taking care of anyone. The techies themselves insist that machines will soon surpass humans in intelligence. When that happens, people will be superfluous and natural selection will favor systems that eliminate them-if not abruptly, then in a series of stages so that the risk of rebellion will be minimized.

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I agree completely with OPs points. The easiest proof is the time you need to pay for housing. Here in Germany we are at a level where a "high" paid engineer needs to pay almost until retirement to be able to buy a normal house in / near a city. This was simply not the case some decades ago. So whats the solution? Start with yourself? Live minimalistic, work fewer, take the social pressure? Or wait for a revolution to take place?

This thread has a lot of examples of why I really cannot defend the current system on any moral grounds. Best I can do is tell people they owe it to themselves to figure out how it works so they can try and exploit it for their own gain as well.

The advance of surveillance capabilities into something the Stasi would have jizzed their pants over also contributes to the cultural stagnation on top of the economic inequality. How far do you think, say, a Martin Luther King or like character would make it in this day and age before being noticed and attacked with covert means? Honest journalists and other dissidents (telling truths inconvenient to power is enough for that label) will tell you what they face today, if you look.

You ever wonder if a truly superhuman strong AI would look at the species as senile grandparents, or as a nasty pest that was destroying its own biosphere?

None, they'll invent more degrading service jobs that pay barely above the minimum wage.

Productivity growth and hourly compensation growth rose together until on August 15 1971 the US terminated the Bretton Woods system to an end. The Bretton Woods system was established in 1944 (around the same time the 3 pillars of the world bank were initiated) it was to keep exchange rates between the United States, Canada, Wester European countries, Australia, and Japan within 1 percent of US gold. This system was put together by the International Monetery Fund (IMF) and the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development which today is part of the World Bank Group. Soviet representatives attended but later declined to ratify the final agreements, saying that the institutions they had created were “branches of Wall Street.” So why did they end this? It had served its purpose and it was time to expand globalization. Beginning to add labor-rich, capital-poor countries to the rich-country trading system, thus holding down wages via factor price equalization. Or cheap labor. Now for the numbers. According to Economic Policy Institute analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics and Bureau of Economic Analysis data. From 1979-2017 productivity has gone from 100% to 246.6% while hourly compensation has gone in 1979-2017 from 99% to 114.7%. The median earnings of a full-time worker have not gone above 51,000 dollars (2010 US dollars) since 1971. A house in 1970 was about 20,000 dollars (median of sources I found) while the average yearly income was 10,000 dollars. So that looks like inflation (the hidden tax) has taken down the value of our money by 5 times. With just that point of information I could go on about the price of things today but I'm sure you are fuming by the time you finish this sentence so I will move on to the solution.

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Dumb nigger retard I started the thread and the post was perfectly sensible. You're the nigger faggot who can't make any contributions. Never post again nigger