The amount of wank around this guy is unreal. He’s not the strongest in the verse. His haki isn’t that great...

The amount of wank around this guy is unreal. He’s not the strongest in the verse. His haki isn’t that great. A 70+ year old matched his speed.

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>He’s not the strongest in the verse.
He's likely the second-strongest admiral right after Akainu (His haki isn’t that great.
It is on par with that of other admirals. Which meant he could parry the attack of Rayleigh, one of the strongest characters to ever exist.
>A 70+ year old matched his speed.
Rayleigh was eventually pushed back. And you seem to forget that Kizaru is 55 himself.

He is cool as hell so it doesn't matter

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He was the third strongest. It was Akainu and Aokiji who had the minuscule difference. And the will to lead (very important in OP as will, literally haki, becomes power). We can’t say how strong he is compared to Greenbull but I agree he is likely stronger than Fujitora. Fujitora wasn’t impressive in Dressrosa.

In film Z, his old mentor admonishes him for relying too heavily on his fruit and not on his haki. In OP post time skip, you can’t hang with the true top tiers without the haki factor. Such is why Luffy got one shot. That OP fruit stuff only works on people significantly weaker than you as even something as devastating as magma can be outright blocked or touched by a top-tier. The speed becomes a non-issue once you have a certain level of observation haki.

55 is nothing in OP. Katakuri is practically 50. Only when your hair goes gray are you past your prime.

>He was the third strongest.
Second strongest. It is clear that Aokiji is weaker than Kizaru.
>It was Akainu and Aokiji who had the minuscule difference.
That came down to will and elemental weakness. Kizaru's fruit is completely unaffected by both ice and magma, while he can deal out damage with his fruit.
> And the will to lead (very important in OP as will, literally haki, becomes power).
We don't even know Kizaru's motivation.
>We can’t say how strong he is compared to Greenbull but I agree he is likely stronger than Fujitora. Fujitora wasn’t impressive in Dressrosa.
Kizaru's feats are pretty impressive. Pushed back Rayleigh, bullied Whitebeard without taking any damage, seriously injured Marco (BEFORE he got cuffed even) and was ready to intervene between Kaidou and Big Mom.
>In film Z, his old mentor admonishes him for relying too heavily on his fruit and not on his haki.
The movie is not canon at all.
>In OP post time skip, you can’t hang with the true top tiers without the haki factor.
Every of the three original admiral have shown a superior version of the armament haki.
>Such is why Luffy got one shot.
Remember how Whitebeard couldn't deal damage against the admirals even with haki?
> That OP fruit stuff only works on people significantly weaker than you as even something as devastating as magma can be outright blocked or touched by a top-tier.
It still gives you an advantage when your haki is on a similar level.
>The speed becomes a non-issue once you have a certain level of observation haki.
Kizaru's lasers definitely deal damage, even to the strongest characters, and he can spawn them semi-infinitely. And they will land, even with observation haki, because they cover such a large area.
>55 is nothing in OP. Katakuri is practically 50. Only when your hair goes gray are you past your prime.
Past your prime doesn't mean shit when it comes to characters like Rayleigh and Garp. They are still among the top players.

Rayleigh's the second strongest character in the series.

>MFW haters

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Not sure where you got the idea that Apkiji is weaker than Kizaru. If anything Aokiji was the one at a disadvantage against Akainu’s element yet went toe-to-toe for the ten days or whatever it was. Kizaru can be just as damaged by their fruit powers as they can be by his.

We don’t know his motivation but we know he’s not a leader. He takes orders and did not express a desire to become fleet admiral.

We’ve never seen Kizaru go up against a ‘strongest character.’ Marco is not one of the strongest characters. Neither was Marineford WB coughing up blood every chapter before he even got into the thick of it. What we have seen since from Big Mom, Kizaru doesn’t have a shot against her.

The plot of film Z isn’t canon but the backstory is. Zephyr has appeared on a cover. So his discussion with Kizaru alluding to their past should be taken as likely canon in the way that Shiki’s backstory is, although that one has been elaborated upon further.

From the standpoint of raw stats, Kizaru should be the fastest character yet a few have kept up with his speed. I would say that technically Bellamy was moving faster than Luffy could in their first confrontation, yet a well timed punch 1HKO’d him. It wouldn’t be that dramatic a difference but he’s definitely taking a beating from quite a few characters.

No.

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>Not sure where you got the idea that Apkiji is weaker than Kizaru.
By feats and elemental advantages.
>If anything Aokiji was the one at a disadvantage against Akainu’s element yet went toe-to-toe for the ten days or whatever it was.
And got more serious injuries than Akainu did.
Aokiji's fruit is weaker than Kizaru's.
>Kizaru can be just as damaged by their fruit powers as they can be by his.
No. Unless they imbue haki into their long distance attacks, Kizaru's light body will just make them pass by. His logia fruit really is one of the strongest.
>We don’t know his motivation but we know he’s not a leader. He takes orders and did not express a desire to become fleet admiral.
Kizaru has a different agenda than Akainu and Aokiji. He has connections with Dr Vegapunk and has spared the strawhats at multiple occasions.
>We’ve never seen Kizaru go up against a ‘strongest character.’
Rayleigh is >= Garp. And he has the haki of a monster.
>Marco is not one of the strongest characters.
He can regenerate a lot and is definitely above Katakuri.
>Neither was Marineford WB coughing up blood every chapter before he even got into the thick of it.
Yeah but WB literally got toyed by Kizaru.
>What we have seen since from Big Mom, Kizaru doesn’t have a shot against her.
Big Mom's feats don't got beyond being night-invulnerable and having some retard strength. Give Kizaru enough time and he'll decimate her from air.
>The plot of film Z isn’t canon but the backstory is.
But not the comments from Zephyr about Kizaru nor the strength.
>Zephyr has appeared on a cover. So his discussion with Kizaru alluding to their past should be taken as likely canon in the way that Shiki’s backstory is, although that one has been elaborated upon further.
No. The discussion itself is only movie canon, not manga canon.
>From the standpoint of raw stats, Kizaru should be the fastest character yet a few have kept up with his speed.
Kizaru purposely waited for Rayleigh to save Zoro.

Ok now I see your head canon coming through. I’m guessing you believe Kizaru is close to unbeatable but actually one of the good guys?

Everything you said about Kizaru can be said for Aokiji. Kizaru can spam lasers at him and Aokiji simply becomes ice and unaffected. That won’t damage him unless haki is used. Nothing Marco showed in Marineford puts him on Katakuri’s level. Oda will have to give him some serious improvements next time we see him for it to be the case (granted he probably will, he didn’t even really know how to show haki at that time). Current Rayleigh would get decimated by any Yonko. He was breathing heavy after less than a minute of combat.

>Ok now I see your head canon coming through.
He's one of my favourite characters in OP so of course I'll defend him when others try to misrepresent facts.
>I’m guessing you believe Kizaru is close to unbeatable but actually one of the good guys?
Nah.
??? (Imu?) >> Kaido > Big Mom >= Shanks >= Blackbeard = Akainu >= Kizaru >= Aokiji > other admirals >= Ben Beckman > King >= Marco = Luffy
>Everything you said about Kizaru can be said for Aokiji.
Aokiji primarily fought Jozu, Kizaru Marco and Akainu Whitebeard. That alone shows us their ranking.
>Kizaru can spam lasers at him and Aokiji simply becomes ice and unaffected.
Ice melts when light shines on it.
>Nothing Marco showed in Marineford puts him on Katakuri’s level.
A strong haki and semi-infinite regeneration.
>Current Rayleigh would get decimated by any Yonko.
I don't think so. He would fight evenly against anyone but Kaido until he runs out of stamina.

He's consitently strong and don't member him losing once so ofcourse peeps are gonna wank him

But Aokiji destroyed Jozu and maimed him for life. Marco left just fine. The discrepancy between Aokiji’s power and Jozus was greater than that between Kizaru and Marco.

Marco didn’t really show a strong haki at Marineford. He and Vista simultaneously attack Akainu and he just regenerated after declaring they were haki users. Agree about regeneration but he can be drained of stamina.

I actually agree with the power rankings you put. My point is that Kizaru is not the strongest in the series as many people like to say due to his devil fruit. I think he is a magnitude weaker from being anywhere in the top spots. I disagree of course that Aokiji is weaker than him but it is close and when it comes to the yonko commanders I don’t think there is enough information to say except that (from what we have seen) Kata is the strongest yet. I don’t even see how Marco could beat Cracker given what he have seen from Marco so far. Out of the yonko commanders we saw, WBs have had the weakest performances.

Friendly reminder to my tranny friends: You will NEVER pass as a girl, EVER. You'll be just a mutilated disphoric man for the rest of your life.
Thank you.

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I haven't wasted time on the shitshow in years, but iirc his ability was subrelativistic or FTL speed.

Does this guy even try? Genuinely looks like he's giving minimal effort any time he fights. Also, his voice actor was god tier, shame he died.

that's why he's so hyped, 12 years since he appeared and not a single time he fought a serious battle, so his potential still a mistery.

But he’s never accomplished anything either

>His haki isn’t that great
How fast are you reading user?

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Other than Magmaman what marine has? Even Smoker has done nothing but get his ass kicked and he has had plenty of involvement in the story, unlike the admirals.

>heh- let me just throw my hands up so they think I’m doing something too

Z said his haki was whack!!

Aokiji froze Doffy’s entire body and nearly killed him (according to Buffalo’s statement about how lucky he was his heart wasn’t frozen). Aokiji took Jozu’s arm like it was made of butter not diamond. Aokiji fought ten days straight with Akainu. So yeah out of the three original admirals Kizaru has done the least

So he froze some people but didn't actually kill or arrest them, is that really an accomplishment?
>fought against akainu
So?

>Z
not canon

>movie plot

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You may think this is funny, but it is not. The old Zig Forums days are long gone, you can't say shit like this anymore.

Depends what you consider an accomplishment? Arresting people? Then none of the admirals have done anything of note whatsoever. Luffy is a better marine than all three of them combined. As far as killing people, the number of people who have actually died in OP can be counted on one hand (not counting flashbacks). And it was Akainu who achieved that. So neither of those is a great measure. Kizaru basically beat up on a bunch of kids who didn't even know what haki was. He hit WB with a laserbeam that made him go "AHHH" and everyone else go "POPS!" but that was the extent of the damage he has inflicted on characters in this series. Aokiji has done more.

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