Hideaki Anno makes a show mocking and ridiculing the mecha genre...

>its essentially a show about giant robots that is mocking people for liking giant robots
but it doesn't make any point about liking giant robot. you are making this up

>Hideaki Anno makes a show mocking and ridiculing the mecha genre, describing it as childish escapism that should be burned to the ground and that you should grow up and get a real job.
When in the actual fuck did he ever did that? just because Eva has one fucking scene saying that shouldn't escape from reality because you need people doesn't mean he's shittalking mecha or even anime

>its essentially a show about giant robots that is mocking people for liking giant robots. their obsession with giant robot shows is the reason why they can't interact with people and lead a fullfilling life.

The entire motivation for the plot happening is defending against an end of the world scenario that can only be defeated by giant robots piloted by people with emotional problems. The robots are at least 50%

If he hadn't steeped the EVA in the cliches and fanservice he wouldn't have drawn in the crowd he wanted to critique. If he had done it in a more "serious" way it would just seem sanctimonious and preachy.

half of evangelions message is about not running away from life, a message to the type of people, otakus, who would be watching this type of show.

its targeting those with arreated developement, shutins and manchildren, who are drawn specifically to this kind of show and telling them that its a poison thats rotting their brains with empty nothing and taking away their lives. once you burn down your cage can you finally be free.

granted, not all anime is this kind of poison of the mind, but escapism like mecha and such are not good for a healthy person at a certain age to indulge in.

The juxtaposition of giant mechas (not really) battling mysterious aliens and an underlying theme of depression and the difficult of living with others is not counterproductive to the message, in fact I'd say it reinforces it. Even in the midst of dramatic war for the fate of humanity, the characters still remain human and torn by their human emotions and conflicts. Their battles are as much about accomplishing X goals as it is about learn to accept their selves.

>>suffice it to say, would evas themes worked better if it was in a more mature adult setting abd scenario
Not in my opinion.

I wouldn't care about Shinji or Asuka or Rei if they were regular teenagers in a regular setting with very realistic and relatable issues. A mundane and realistic setting can be a distraction; by transporting the cast into a fantastical setting with stakes we can only imagine, it also allows the viewer to focus on human existence. It's not about the EVAs, the angels, the religious imagery or the waifus, it's really about the human characters. All great stories are.

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>mature setting
>Steins;Gate
Lol.

Anyways, Eva is not mocking anything but waifufags.

>half of evangelions message is about not running away from life, a message to the type of people, otakus, who would be watching this type of show.
It's not a message to just otakus, it's a message to everyone including Anno himself
>granted, not all anime is this kind of poison of the mind, but escapism like mecha and such are not good for a healthy person at a certain age to indulge in.
Why are you just focusing on Mecha as a "poison of the mind"? it's fine if you hate it but don't try to say such a stupid message like it's "bad for your health"

and here I thought shinji had issues opening up to people due to a childhood of neglect, parental issues, and crippling trauma
turns out he was just meant to represent otakus all along

OP is retarded

Anno is himself a stinky mecha otaku so if that was his intention it's a pretty big miss.

You're mentally retarded. Anno created an industry fan club for Tomino and Gundam just a few years before he made Evangelion. And he's a huge mechafag in general. Evangelion is addressing the same themes mecha has for decades before he did it himself. Not turning away from reality is a core theme in many mecha shows where the pilot has to come to terms with reality and still carry forward. It's not new at all and it doesn't even apply to otaku specific so I'm not sure where you got that idea.

which youtube video essay are you quoting OP?

Believing that you're a sorcerer is pretty childish, but both him and Anno are stuck on the teen phase, not the child phase

>telling them that its a poison thats rotting their brains with empty nothing and taking away their lives
No, real life does that, escapist Chinese cartoons help dealing with that, just like alcohol

>It's not a message to just otakus, it's a message to everyone including Anno himself

yes its a message anyone can take to heart but its certainly tailot made to address a specific demographic: emotionally stunted manchildren who would watch a kids show about giant robots.
>Why are you just focusing on Mecha as a "poison of the mind"? it's fine if you hate it but don't try to say such a stupid message like it's "bad for your health"
I dont hate it, I dont think much of it, but theres an obvious difference in watching something like tatami galaxy vs a gundam show. if you are going to ingest a form of escapism, atleast make sure its a positive one for you than something empty that could make you regress. its like Hamlet vs WWE or a Scorsese film vs a godzilla movie.

You can't actually watch Eva and come away thinking it is mocking mecha anime. It plays up the tropes in a positive way all the time. This take only comes from faggots on youtube that just copy from faggots on twitter that don't remember anything except the last two episodes and think 90% of the show is filler.
The same types will tell you that EoE is a pessimistic, or even malicious film intended to belittle its own audience, a completely ridiculous interpretation.

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Why do Western nerds keep projecting this self-loathing "haha isn't nerd stuff cringe and the reason I have a dissatisfactory life haha" shit onto Evangelion? Eva's chock full of Japanese and Western sci-fi references and homages. Anno loves nerdy shit.

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Evangelion would be better if it never existed in the first place.

Modern Western Culture is built upon irony and plausible deniability. You can't just openly, unabashedly, genuinely, unironically like anything, or else you risk being "cringe".
Honestly my number one problem with modern culture. Too much irony has fucking slaughtered creativity.

>the show is directed toward mecha escapist demographic
>the show has a strong message regarding not using escapism to avoid reality
>it reaches a lot of people who understand the show is about the ambivalence of the human condition first and foremost
>some respond to this message
>some others do not
>therefore the story shouldnt have been a mecha
>the show shouldnt be directed to the people that need the message the most

The way your mind operates is that of an extremely stunted Zig Forumsmblrite. You really shouldnt be talking about brain poisons. Anyway at no point does the show attack the mecha genre specifically or fiction in general.

Growing up is all about moving past irony which is a pathetic coping mechanism. Children are by this definition more grown up that teenagers because they barely pretend and instead act genuine. Anno will forever be 14 just like Shinji until the day he dies.

How is it mocking waifufags when it deliberately indulges in it?

Gundam did it first

>EoE as malicious and pessimistic
It's actually maliciously optimistic, if you would believe it. Anno is literally screaming that you, yes you faggot, even you would find it within yourself to love yourself. And if even a faggot like you can do it, then maybe there is hope for the world.

Anno is a sociopath that was born without the knowledge that life is pain and thinks that life being worth the pain is somehow a profound message. Anyone that isnt naturally aware of this basic fact of the human condition can be assumed to be non human and should be dead.

>ridicu-
Anno was/is a mecha-toku huge nerd.

4.0 never

Stein's Gate is a more mature setting than NGE?

>Anno hates mecha
Honestly tired of this meme

>it's okay to form deep, meaningful relationships with others
There, I just solved Evangelion for you, faggots.

>anime/manga fan blissfully unaware of the rest of human story telling, as usual
Eva is not remotely a new story at all. Human isolation and the dichotomies of the self versus the collective; the need for intimacy versus the violence of intimacy; and the transition from childishness into maturity have been explored for literally hundreds and arguably thousands of years. Eva couldn't have existed without French existentialism and larger components of Modernism like Dada, for instance.

The ONLY reason Neon Genesis Evangelion is remotely interesting or important is precisely because it's a giant robot anime. If it weren't, instead of being a social force unto itself, it would have just been another pretty good 90's movie; another pretty good piece of post-modern fiction; another pretty good [ART] that all bore similar themes being produced in the late 80's and early 90's.
Eva could not have worked as anything other than a giant robot anime. Those "more mature adult setting" anime you're talking about have never had the sorts of fanbases that give Anno's criticisms and self-criticisms weight. He'd be pointing fingers at people who are self-aware enough to understand they are adults participating in a children's hobby, or children who will most assuredly mature in otherwise healthy adults with functional lives.

All of this is disregarding the fact if Anno was criticizing any particular fan or groups of fans when he wrote Eva, it was himself and maybe his closest friends. All of his remarks about anime otakus having forced autism and his negativity towards anime in general came after eva's success.

Good. I love seeing pretentious hacks get BTFO. The best way to defeat edgelords like these are to look at their works at face value and watch them seethe about it.

I don't see how irony is detrimental to creativity per se but it definitely leads to detachment and general lack of sincerity

You know Anno was a mech fan right?

>90s
But Gundam already did it in the 40s.

Evangelion is the Gundam of Ultraman

This.

There is a different message within each iteration though. End of Evangelion is about otaku escapism, yes, but I'd say the 26 episode anime is more about the difficulties that come with communication. EoE is more or less a response to the backlash Anno got from Japanese otaku who missed the point of the ending. In short, NGE has more of an encouraging message while EoE is more the "grow up and get a job" message.

Also I can't disagree more with Eva not having a very adult setting, I'd argue it's every bit as mature as Bebop, especially since it's adult characters are very well realized.

There is a sequence in EoE which addresses the way shinji supposedly objectifies women and YouTube essayist take that as a critique of otaku culture

It isnt like Bebop didnt have an audience.
It ALSO isnt like Bebop was a more serious setting.