Can free will and determinism coexist without being logically inconsistent?
Those who face their suffering and grief head on, chase and kill it instead of running from it. The world rewards those who suffer and fight, you reading this right now are literally capable of anything. What was your take on this intricate character driven adaptation? Did Steins Gate reach you personally?
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I found the faggot annoying and chose not to watch it.
No they can't. Steins Gate uses a fictional version of determinism but ultimately decides that Okabe has free will within the deterministic universe thus rendering it not actually deterministic. It's a really inspiring story and Okabes perseverance is motivational as fuck so hell yea it reached me
>Can free will and determinism coexist without being logically inconsistent?
No, we are slaves to cause and effect. Okabe can see the results of this determinism ahead of time, but he too is a slave to cause and effect
>Can free will and determinism coexist without being logically inconsistent?
No
It makes no fucking sense
Free will implies possibilities which goes against determinism
The only way that's possible is with predeterminism, if the will is what is defining the purpose the universe is predetermined to reach, but that would also imply whoever have this will is God (that's basically Haruhi)
>Okabe can see the results of this determinism ahead of time
What
Are you the meme girl from Bunny Girl Senpai?
Non-determinism just means being a slave to randomness. The result is essentially the same.
Okabe can change timeline but the universe is still deterministic
At the end they were able to escape determinism though, Steins;Gate worldline didn't have a determined future because of being in the middle of two attractor fields.
No and no
Lurking
Okabe can't change anything he just send his memories every time and we change narative to Okabe from diffrent timeline who got this message so you can argue that he's free will's choises are pre destined
Reddits that way pal
>I don't like it
>im gonna call it reddit XD
Maybe I coom over Kurisu because I'm weak-willed
Maybe I was fated to, and I just can't help it
At the end of the day, there is no ontological difference if I can't know fate
I mean, as far as being "reddit" goes Steins;Gate is up there considering how loved it is there.
Then again, redditors also breathe.
Do people really find Kurisu attractive? I liked the show a lot but found her character design generic, what do people like about it?
Logically, yes since there’s a possible world in which that’s the case. In so far as compatibilism makes any sense as a theory, yes.
>compatibilism makes any sense as a theory
It doesn't
Free will is a free CHOICE? yes I think compatibilism is true
By makes sense, I mean can be conceived of as least being possibly true. In so far as it’s a theory at all makes this the case.
>can be conceived of as least being possibly true
Unless you believe humanity to be God that's straight up not possible. And if you do then it overlaps with quantum mysticism and the observer effect, and is pseudoscience bullshit. But hey, at least it gave us Lain. And Paranoia Agent i guess.
OP asked about logical possibility. X is logically possible if there is no contradiction in x. It’s possible that determinism and free will coexist because determinism does not necessarily rule out free will. Free will can be defined in such a way that it might exist in a completely determined universe.
Are you for real? How is she "generic"?
Okabe is the only one with free will, that's what "Reading Steiner" is.
Either way the fact is: Kurisu is 2lewd4/a/.
If everything including your will is determined then it's not actually free will
>There's a lot of words it must be true
Don't link to a source you don't understand. And if you do understand it then just give the information that's relevant to the matter at hand.
well, her design isn't anywhere near unique or groundbreaking, but if you browse Zig Forums or Zig Forums for a long time you'll pick up that plenty of folks beat off to her. I can't speak for others but for me the combination or dark red hair, lithe body, small breasts and quirky bitchy autistic tsundere personality makes me want to just thrash at my dick
That depends on how free will is conceived. If you define free will as the ability to do otherwise, then no, determinism and free will cannot exist together. But that definition of free will is debatable, and has been debated for centuries.
I was simply proving a link since the poster didn't seem to understand what the issue was. OP asked the simple question: can free will and determinism possibly coexist and the answer is yes. I'm done with the conversation as I proved my point. You can keep arguing about it, but the fact is compatibilism is a very live theory and the majority of professional philosophers today accept some version of it. That's not to say it's true, but it is a live option.
If you don't define free will as actually, literally free then there's no argument, we make decisions based on external factors, that's a fact, nobody can even refute that since we're experiencing it on a daily basis. Actual literal free will would be having it NOT rely on eternal factors, which would imply indeterminism. That's what quantum mind is, and it's bullshit.
>her design isn't anywhere near unique
Show me literally one character who has a similar design that came before her debut in 2009.
>plenty of folks beat off to her
This however is very true.
Read David Hume and come back to me.
>Duuuurrrr beat every Touhou game on lunatic and come back
Nobody cares faggot, if you can't make your point yourself don't even bother replying
I already made my very simple point a number of times. It seems you're too dense to understand basic philosophy.
The point you made is that your view on free will is probably different from OP's. If the debate was weither or not determined free will was compatible with determinism that wouldn't even be a debate. You're basically moving the goalposts.
Okabe's personality is just the worst. I wanted to punch him in the face so bad
No, the question was about if free will and determinism are LOGICALLY compatible and the answer is YES. It's very simple. It's not debatable. You're just too stupid to understand such a fundamental point.