>What if we took the original concept but this time the MC HAS A GUN, also HE SMOKES, and he like has a kid
Everything after the original VN is trash.
What if we took the original concept but this time the MC HAS A GUN, also HE SMOKES, and he like has a kid
Justin Ortiz
Daniel Moore
Fate is all trash.
Adrian Martin
Those concepts are from the original VN you fucking retard. Urobuchi didn't invent Kiritsugu. At most he made up the smoking part
Isaiah Russell
You act like that makes it okay, also no, the original VN barely touched on Kiritsugo.
Cooper Taylor
>the only thing between the MC's that is similar is the desire to be a hero, and that's because one literally got it from the other
OP, as always, is retarded.
Blake Ross
Let's ignore the fact he made him every edgelord's fantasy then right?
Jackson Campbell
Really?
Josiah Diaz
Yes, user, Kiritsugu was a complete edgelord and that was the fucking point: he wasn't someone to be imitated, he was just a sad man broken for doing the shit he did his whole life. You're not supposed to want to self-insert as him nor you're supposed to see him even as a happy or sane person, it's literally spelled to you during the entire fucking anime. Jesus Christ.
David Moore
zero is fine, it's anything fate related that came after it that is trash
Andrew Martinez
I framed as a cold blooded killer but Irisviel wasn't ever mentioned.
Brody Wood
No one said anything about self inserting, he was just an edge lord for no reason other than to be "cool" whereas Shirou was just shit that was suppose to be a self insert for losers.
Kayden Turner
>after
Lucas Fisher
Yes really.
Zero is retarded but so is the whole series, holy shit do you want to talk about your dinner of noodles and vegetables?
Jeremiah Rivera
It was also shit before and during the original VN.
Owen Perry
Poor bait, try harder next time
Thomas Walker
I'd love for a single example of how I'm wrong.
Josiah Wilson
Probably just an anime-only.
Chase Murphy
As far as zero goes yeah, f/sn was a fucking slog to read.
Lucas Ramirez
>Shirou was supposed to be a self-insert for losers
Here you go. So very, very wrong.
Jose Martin
FPBP
Owen Brown
The only part about Kiritsugu that was silly was him cheating on his wife all you had to do was for him to keep his distance and act cold around her.
Nathaniel Phillips
>has magic powers no one else really has
>is willing to self sacrifice at any given moment
>is stupid powerful for no reason
>is pretty much a blank slate outside of his ideals
>still gets mad pussy
He's what every nip teen wishes they could be.
Ian Cruz
I don't care if he is an edgelord, I fucking love kiritsugu. He's so much better than shirou
Aaron Brooks
Shirou has his own personality, backstory, trauma, fatal flaw, character arc, etc. I get people not liking him but to say he was a self insert is wrong.
Lucas Torres
>if you take out the things that make him a person, then he won't be a person
You don't say...
Connor Hernandez
>Shirou has his own personality
>character
I mean he is a character but if you read the VN he's largely a blank slate like I said.
That wasn't even remotely implied.
Josiah Martinez
hahahaahahah
Lucas Anderson
He is a self insert but not in the way most anons complain about. He can cook and is the perfect househusband, while also athletic at the same time. He is the ideal boyfriend.
Nathaniel Thompson
>has magic powers no one else really has
but that's factually wrong, you retard.
>is willing to self sacrifice at any given moment
at least 99% of the world, let alone Zig Forums, is unwilling to sacrifice themselves if the situation calls for it.
>is stupid powerful for no reason
speedwatcher/reader
>is pretty much a blank slate outside of his ideals
A character is a blank slate if you remove their character? Say it ain't so?
>still gets mad pussy
The MC from an Eroge gets mad pussy? How fucking new are you?
I think you're just mad that you have zero desirable traits yourself, so you want to bash anyone or anything that reminds you of your own lack of value. Go be a fat worthless fuck somewhere else, newfag.
Jonathan Bell
i like both
Lucas Cox
>>still gets mad pussy
He gets three to five girls lusting after his dick. That's fucking nothing for a guy his age
Christian Parker
t.didn't even watch the show
I'm done here
Brody Reed
But he has survivors guilt and no sense of self-preservation or worth. He isn’t boyfriend material until after Unlimited Blade Works or Heavens Feel when he stops being a hardliner for his beliefs and starts to get over his survivors guilt.
William Smith
>he was just an edge lord for no reason other than to be "cool"
Did you miss his entire backstory?
Oliver Thompson
>but that's factually wrong, you retard.
Name one other character in the franchise that has the ability to create near perfect copies of any melee weapon he sees, especially when said copies also imbue him with instinctual knowledge of how to best wield them.
Lucas Perry
>but that's factually wrong, you retard.
No one else has his super duper mega replicating magic, in fact it's a plot point because even Rin throws out a "what the fuck"
>at least 99% of the world, let alone Zig Forums, is unwilling to sacrifice themselves if the situation calls for it.
Yeah okay, you sound yuro.
>A character is a blank slate if you remove their character? Say it ain't so?
Removing a backstory doesn't remove the character.
>The MC from an Eroge gets mad pussy
Not every VN with sex in it is an Eroge you dumb little shit. The eroge elements were tacked on at best.
Dylan Williams
No I got it, like all things with him it had edge.