Danzo wanted to kill the Third Hokage anyway, so why didn’t he make an alliance with the Uchiha clan and help them with the coup?
Anbu Root + Uchihas (supported by the sannin Orochimaru as well) could have taken the Leaf in mere hours with little to no casualties and no resistance
The Third would have no other option than fuck off. Danzo would be Hokage, the Uchihas would be alive and happy and Orochimaru would have never been kicked out of the village.
It’s a win win situation
This makes more sense than the original plot, unironically
The story needed to happen, user
Melodrama first logic later that's how kishi rolls
The Aburames would have joined the coup as well since they are big Danzoboos and most of them end up working in Root death squads
Didn't he consider the Uchichas not real leaf villagers?
This sounds like a based and interesting alternative story
>Danzo secretly oppresses and threatens the Uchiha
>Makes them think the Village is going to kill them
>Then allies with them to assassinate the Hokage
>provides material and intel in secret
>if they kill the Hokage he takes control of the village
>if they fail he gets to exterminate them and harvest their eyes
>either way ANBU and the Uchiha are weakened and he can kidnap a bunch of targets
>whoever wins has to turn to Root for help to defend against enemy attacks
Maybe it would work at first but then you would have three butthurt and extremely dangerous individuals with their own private armies fighting to be Hokage
>Orochimaru
>Fugaku
>Danzo
It would be a civil war Uchihas vs Root vs Orochimaru experiments
HOLLY FUCKING KINO
Who would win that battle?
>Fugaku ever entertaining the thought of working with Orochimaru
The mans wanted to make a coup, yeah, but I somehow doubt that. Also, for every awesome Jounin the Uchiha + Danzo had, the Hokage had more. Then there's the fact that for all his faults, Danzo respected Hiruzen.
Danzo has a big love hate relationship with just about everyone. It was more of a Game of thrones shit than anything else, and It would take Hiruzen doing something against Danzo (maybe digging out his Root rats) to push him to the Uchiha. Likewise, Orochimaru was always an option for Danzo, even after he betrayed the village.
But this type of stuff would make an excellent procedural drama best suited in a light novel adaptation.
Danzo does not like the Uchihas, and that battle wouldn't go as easy as one might think either. What the hell were the Anbu going to do that the Uchihas already couldn't? Not to mention the whole "there's other countries waiting for the Leaf to be vulnerable" thing that would just fuck Danzo's shit up even if it worked
>Fugaku
His is probably the most interesting, since we know he had a solid support base from within the village, but he still has to deal with Clan politics, which directly contradicts the will of fire.
>Then there's the fact that for all his faults, Danzo respected Hiruzen.
Hmmm
Did he?
>Tries to have Hirizen murdered
>Sits in his office
>*Stretches, feet up on the desk*
>”I am the Hokage now.jpg”
>”I really respected Hirizen though”
>*Hiruzen shows up*
>Danzo: “Wtf I dindu nuffin”
>*Goes unpunished and still do whatever he wants*
Sounds like he respected him a lot lmao
Itachi and Fugaku would bop Orochi and I don't think he'd recover fast enough to run back to the battlefield. Danzo would probably KNEEL and assume he will have another chance to do a coup, and would also want to defend Konoha from any incoming vultures
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>What the hell were the Anbu going to do that the Uchihas already couldn't?
Probably pull of an ambush using some of the secret shit Danzo's faction has hidden away. But at the time everyone butted heads. Maybe Orochimaru had something up his sleeve.
I agree that would be cool to see something like that, but the big problem is that people doesn't just get Danzo. Danzo put the Leaf Village first and foremost than literally anyone or anything and his philosophy is that, while niggers like Hiruzen are necessary in the light, he too was necessary in the darkness for the good of the village. There's a reason he never did try to depose Hiruzen, he never schemed to fuck up Tsunade and only stepped up as a Hokage after she got into a coma, and was agreeable to work with Orochimaru (so he could accrue more power and protect the village better, while making an alliance with a now-foreign superpower that was exiled for doing shit he didn't see any problem with).
Danzo don't see the ninjas as people and shit, and only as mere tools for the "entity" Konohagakure to soar on new heights. Every civilian, every Ninja, anyone was just fuel to protect the village from destruction. It would take Hiruzen literally doing shit like demilitarizing the village for him to act in rebellion.
Who would Itachi and Shisui support in this scenario?
Would they support the Uchiha/Root side or the Third Hokage like good brainwashed drones?
Third. Konoha's doctrine is just this good at brainwashing people.
Danzo didn’t hate the Uchihas, he loved them so much he had his entire arm covered in Sharingans kek
Most likely the Third and co.
They have no reason not to side with the "good guys" in that situation considering they didn't care for the coup stuff in the first place
The point of the massacre was to avert civil war. If conflict is inevitable they might side with their clan.
in honesty, him and Fugaku had the same goals, just different ways to go about it. He didn't say "fuck hiruzen, I'm taking over". Danzo, Orochimaru, and Fugaku were all being considered.
An excellent premise, it's just in execution it fell hard because it boiled too "LOL DANZO, WHAT AN ASSHOLE"
Danzo flipping Itachi on Fugaku was probably the linchpin for how things unfolded. If he hadn't done that I'm not sure where things could've turned too. Shisui and Itachi would declare for Hiruzen. Danzo used the village against them, and in this scenario, Danzo is the threat.
What the hell were the Anbu going to do that the Uchihas already couldn't?
>Take the Hokage’s palace, the ninja academy and other government buildings
>Take the streets
>Appease the civilian population
>Supress possible uprisings
>Disuade the Hidden Leaf clans from attacking Uchiha/Root troops. Most clans have family members working in Root (Aburames/Yamanakas/etc.) so they won’t attack their own relatives
Itachi and Shisui drank the "will of fire" koolaid so much they drowned in it. Itachi flipped on the Uchiha because they were going to make the first move. And is we come to later find out, Danzo has his "this is how I take the village plan in order to save it"
>Most clans have family members working in Root (Aburames/Yamanakas/etc.) so they won’t attack their own relatives
I could see that backfiring considering most clans are very lockstep. They'd just end up leaving or being inside men, ready to knock Danzo upside the head when they get a chance and then the Uchihas now have another headache to deal with
I think the issue could still be dressed up like "Hey there's more people, both allies and enemies, that are ok with current leadership than not. If a coup succeeds then all of the Konoha citizens are fucked"
Root agents are literally Danzo's puppets, they're mentally incapable of betraying him, and possibly physically as well due to all the seals. And he recruited several of his agents with the explicit blessing of the various clans.
A coordinated Uchiha and Root force led by Fugaku, Danzo and Orochimaru could take Konoha with almost no resistance, so the death toll would be minimal if actually non-existent. They would probably support the Uchihas.
A well done and coordinated coup to remove Hirizen could have been so much better than the Uchiha massacre. No massacre, no international repercussions, etc.
You're really downplaying how many people the Hokage has under his employ other than the Uchiha and Root. Let's go just by the strongest fighters
In Konoha's corner
>Third, Jiraiya, all the clan heads and their respective clans (all the Hyuuga, Yamanaka, Nara, Aburame, I don't see them being deterred by having some members of them in Root, probably would get fucking mad at the traitors), all the ANBU sans root, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma
Maybe
>Itachi and Shisui probably because they drank that Will of Fire shit body and soul
>Tsunade if she can be recalled in time
That's already a massive numerical and logistic advantage, not to say anything about the sheer firepower. Then we get
Danzo's corner
>Danzo, Orochimaru, all of Root, Fugaku if he can fight anything above average than a jounin
I don't really see how they could win.
>they would probably support the Uchihas
Literally why? One of the reasons they wanted the rebel was exactly because they were disliked and distrusted.
All Danzo needed to do was offer the Uchiha some Wood Element penis and they would accept.
Danzo told Itachi the Uchiha were doomed no matter what. They had zero chance of winning, it was only a matter of HOW they would die and how much damage they would cause, so Itachi killed them in a way to minimize the losses.
But if it wasn't clear who would win, if Danzo tried to convince him that they COULD survive, and that no matter what there was going to be a full civil war, I think he'd choose to support the Uchiha.
The other clans and ninja aren't idiots, they can see the same thing Itachi did. If there's a coup by Root and the Uchiha, it's very likely to succeed, and opposing it would just destroy the entire village. They might choose to just capitulate, or at least negotiate, in the aftermath of an assassination.
> And he recruited several of his agents with the explicit blessing of the various clans.
Yeah, like this guy says Probably some big families like the Aburames would even support Danzo, since they have worked very closely in the past
And then you have Orochimaru who was at the time one of the most respected and feared Ninjas in the lead so, if he supported the coup, a lot of ninjas would do as well
I wonder how long that "explicit blessing" stuff lasts when 99% of a clan is against whatever Danzo's doing. They'd probably kill off the traitorous ANBU clan people as "necessary sacrifices for the good of the village"
>Anbu Root + Uchihas (supported by the sannin Orochimaru as well) could have taken the Leaf in mere hours with little to no casualties and no resistance
>The Third would have no other option than fuck off.
We wouldn't know. Uchiha were strong but they doubtfully could have handled the rest of the village, even with Danzo's help. There's Hyuga and all the others. Even assuming they get it done, how would diplomatic relationships with other villages be? Sand at least had a decent relationship with the old leadership. It's also uncertain if the people would accept Danzo as a leader if he took over with a coup.
Fugaku felt that Hiruzen was incompetent, and they could've dealt with the 9 tails better. And they blamed the village's government for it. They legitimately thought they were saving the village. And in a weird irony, Fugaku and Danzo were right about each-other.
Sometimes I feel like people here have better, more interesting and more logical ideas than Kishimoto himself
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How would Danzo convince the other clans? No one liked Orochimaru or thought highly of the Uchiha after the fox incident. I don't think Itachi could be convinced until he sees the clans really support Danzo. If Danzo recruits an unsure Itachi, it wont take long until he gets his neck sliced from the back