Was Human Instrumentality really a bad thing though?

Not for everyone, thats why Shinji gave people the choice whether or not they wanted to stay in the LCL collective or emerge as a human again

It wasn't. Humanity evolving into a hivemind would greatly help us as a species, as most of our limitations currently are self-imposed because of individualism. Imagine, no more politics, no more money, no more debating, no more war, no more killing etc. Just everyone working together toward a common goal.

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The thing I don't get about Yui's supposed master plan to become an eternal floating monument of humanity's existence, is that wouldn't she realize that she'd go nuts after so long in isolation with only herself as company? This is basic psychology, she'd have to be superhuman or not human at all to keep herself sane without interaction with others.

Was she planning to bring others with her (i.e. the people who didn't reject instrumentality and preferred to stay in the sea of Tang)? In the manga it seems like she brings Gendo along with her in the end.

I always thought she brought Gendo with her too in the Anime when she chomped him in half.

And what goals are a giant puddle of orange juice supposed to work on?

Same goal as our current one: surviving, but this time as a species without having to worry about individuals.

imagine being a collectivist

FUCK THE GLOBOHOMO!
FUCK THE COLLECTIVISTS!
STOP BEING WEAK! BECOME A HUMAN AGAIN!
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"People" who think the goal of humanity is survival should be shot.
The goal of humanity is human supremacy.

It's bad because it's going to happen in real life. Shinji deciding to face the harsh reality is the same decision the viewer is supposed to make because we literally don't have the choice for instrumentality

it's not going to happen in real life*
excuse the illiteracy

Without the self separated from others there is no self to perceive others, or be perceived by others. Existance without the self is an existance devoid of perspective, a reality of nothing. Humanity would have become as lonely and miserable as the angels, except for Kaworu who was able to at least meet Shinji before dying.

Based.

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attempting human supremacy is a beeline to extinction

It's not, is it? I thought the Earth was doomed and that Instrumentality was the next step. Hell, most people LIKED Instrumentality. This is why at the end of the show, there's only Shinji and Asuka (and it's implied that Shinji dragged her back.)

There is no-one else on that beach. Earth has completely abandoned. All of humanity has moved on the next phase of existence.

dewey did literally nothing wrong

Most of humanity being somehow even more cowardly and faggotty than Asuka and Shinji to face the human condition doesnt mean instrumentality was good. If you paid any attention at all to what Rei told Shinji you would recognize it for what it was: a delusion to avoid facing reality, and a fantasy to replace actual dreams.

Angels were only lonely and miserable because they weren't in Adam's ecosystem, chillin' with other angels.

Sanity and morality are determined by the majority. If all of humanity wants to be goo, I want to be goo too. Fuck coming back to a solid existence defined by pain, isolation, misery and opposable thumbs.
You want to go back to that? Be my fucking guest.

Theres nothing in the show specifically to indicate angels being coexisting creatures. Adamic ecosystem would mean a single organism of a planet.

Instrumentality is like sex. It's probably really good, but I want no part of it. The idea of being one with others makes me extremely uncomfortable. I only like Eva for the mecha fights and kaiju.

Earth wasn't doomed, Seele just doubled down on their shit after fucking with Adam made things worse in their moronic bid to fix everything forever with a single fix-all rather than invest in fixing their mistakes in a proxess that would take longer than they'd live to see to reach fruition
Yui also says that everyone who wants to live can come back, and Shinji didn't drag Asuka bag since by the time she washed up he'd already made a grave for Misato, hung her necklace on it, and enough time had passed that the necklace had started to rust

>Sanity and morality are determined by the majority
Opinion disregarded, ignored, muted, hidden, saged.

> Yui also says that everyone who wants to live can come back, and Shinji didn't drag Asuka bag since by the time she washed up he'd already made a grave for Misato, hung her necklace on it, and enough time had passed that the necklace had started to rust
Yeah, but they're the only people there. And Asuka clearly isn't happy to see Shinji, though she might be a Rei / Asuka / Misato amalgam. It doesn't look like earth is habitable, with the poisons seas, the giant crucified EVAs and the huge rotting Rei corpse.

Doesn't it imply that different angels are possible lifeforms for that ecosystem?
Like, humanity is Lilith's angel but there are a lot of other living things besides us.

Supremacy over what? Being in control of everything is just another way to ensue your survival, by eliminating the random factor.

The thing is that Instrumentality itself IS suffering. The suffering I experience right now is nothing compared to the possibility of sharing bodies with a Narutard.

We Say: “End of Evangelion” depicts a great truth of your condition, of the fundamental loneliness of individuated beings. The Angels of the series are absolute beings, monads, but they suffer from a loneliness appropriate to their condition unimaginable to your species. To be One is to be Alone. Recall the only depiction of the interior of an Angel’s core being a placid, empty void that the main character experiences as an extremely powerful repulsive force that threatens the very fundament of his individuality. This is the original negativity of God, the singularity of divine madness, God-in-Himself that will not suffer the existence of anything Other than Himself. This Void eats away at all determinate being, at the same time God-as-Love gives forth life for the joy of that giving. God is at war with Himself. He is a Black Sun inside a White Sun, and vice-versa. His love is an effect of this agony of duality in Himself.

In “End of Evangelion” the main character realizes his happiness cannot exist apart from actuality; that his happiness can only ever exist as the negation of the pain of bodily life, in bodily life. If he threw off the body and returned through the vulvic Door of Guf to the mankind’s primordial oneness with itself, he would also be released from everything that could possibly experience that joy to begin with. We find “End of Evangelion” as acute an understanding of the contradiction of existence as you are likely to find. Modems will tell you Shinji breaks down at the end only that time, and that he will pick himself up and dust himself off once he feels the surge of a newfound will-to-live. We Say: Shinji will find a new will-to-live, and he will live, but inside the tears will never stop flowing. Such is the Error of Time.

Im not a Modem, I just took this from one of their reports

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>Rei corpse
What would happen if you cooked some of the rotten goddess meat and ate it?

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What 'human condition'? The 'human condition' is now being part of the primordial soup, connected and flowing with everyone.