was he the biggest simp in all of anime?
Was he the biggest simp in all of anime?
It really sucks that kishi made the same sasuke-naruto dynamic for basically every generation since the founding of konoha.
Definitely competing with Subaru.
Reminder that all Naruto clones die young or die before their rivals do.
Naruto talk-no-jutsu'd him which means he gets to fuck Rin cunny in heaven
Technically yes, but nobody actually gets his character because his motivation is dumb when you reduce it like that.
>optimistic kid that always wants to help people
>get fucked up in Kakashi Gaiden, lose half your body and an eye
>spend months recovering, potentially more than a year, with your only company being your ancestor (and biggest traitor to your village) droning at you that you will one day realize the true horror of life as a shinobi
>leave to go save your friends
>watch your best friend spear your crush, both in first person and third person
>sperg out and kill like a hundred guys while despairing over the fact that the person who most believed in you and your dreams is dead and the murderer if your friend
>go back to the old man and he tells you about a way to not just make yourself happy for all eternity, but everybody else as well
>all you have to do is completely sacrifice your identity and dedicate your life to this plan
>years later, you have finally gotten what you wanted and can 'save everybody'
>get called out on your hypocrisy about being nobody while also doing all this because of strong desires, get called out on not understanding what your crush would've wanted, get called out on actively causing pain and destruction in pursuit of this plan
>all by a guy who emulates you so much that you upped the death and destruction specifically to justify how you turned out today by making him fall to your side through that pain
>later try to redeem yourself by copying a guy you thought was your pawn, but only end up making the situation worse
>die to be eternally remembered as one of the worst human beings to ever lived who initiated one of the most cataclysmic wars in Shinobi history
Only issue is how fucking garbage that chapter where he turned into a ghost was.
That's the point, the antagonists are supposed to be twisted reflections of Naruto.
Not even the biggest simp in his anime, Sakura and Naruto are bigger simps
This. They disrespected Sai because he wasn't Sasuke, then punched the fuck out of him because he insulted him. I don't think there is anyone that could top this.
>simp
>That's the point, the antagonists are supposed to be twisted reflections of Naruto.
Yeah, but the dynamic happened so many times that it lost it's effectiveness imo.
Rivaled only by fucking Cuck Emperor Joachim.
Because he's a shit writer.
It doesn't happen that often though
>Gaara
He doesn't have a Sasuke
>the Three Sanin
There's one, and it was planned from the beginning
>Hashirama and Madara
There's another, and that one is made obvious for a long time before the two play a major role
>Nagato and Yahiko
And Yahiko is nothing like Sasuke
>Obito and Kakashi
Another one
>Indra and Ashura
The two of them don't even show up beyond flashback images.
Can't believe I once thought Sai was in the wrong for saying this just because he clearly is meant to be. He was a boring faggot, but deserved better that one short fucking pointless arc. At least he gained humanity and bagged a smoking hot blond cocktease like Ino and made her into a good mother and supportive housewife that hasn't lost her spunk or sexiness.
>Danzo and Hiruzen
>Nagato and Minato (they didn't know each other, but both were students of Jiraiya
>Rock Lee and Neji
>Danzo and Hiruzen
That is, again, a stretch. It cover their dynamic if you're talking about War arc Sasuke, and even then, Sasuke wasn't a massive pussy like Danzo (and yes, that is Danzo's character).
>Nagato and Minato (they didn't know each other, but both were students of Jiraiya
Nagato is more like Naruto than Sasuke (this is acknowledged in the story with both Naruto and Nagato self-inserting into Tales of a Gutsy Shinobi). Additionally, this is a stretch at best.
>Rock Lee and Neji
Rock Lee is a jobber and this "dynamic" is never touched upon.
Yeah its shit writing. It even goes back futher than the hidden leaf village, he did the sasuke-naruto dynamic for the two sons of the sage of the six paths.
Man, if only the sage qas kept as a mysterious figure and left it at that
>he did the sasuke-naruto dynamic for the two sons of the sage of the six paths.
that was filler
>>Hashirama and Madara
Probably the only good one
The story of the entire manga literally just happened because he couldn't get over losing 14yo puss. So yes, yes he was the biggest simp in all of anime. But also the coolest guy of anime
Gaara still is. The series even fucking hammers this in, especially the scene before they leap at each other for that last punch.
Then Pain (their fucking hair is even similar) and Obitchto. 3 is already overdoing it and reeks of laziness before you get into every major trio except the other actually interesting sidelinded teams being a fucking Team 7 clone except literally every girl team member was better.
They are simps but Obito literally started a diabolical masterplan that took decades and ended in a war because he couldn't cope the death of his teenage (not even) girlfriend
I wish. The whole point of early naruto was that he wasn't talented, everyone hated him, he had to act out for attention and use superior tactics to defeat his stronger opponents (Zabuza, Neji). The whole series really went off the rails after the pain arc. Naruto got way too strong so kishi ran out of ideas for good villains.
>its shit writing
It's ironic that this is being stated by a person who can't write, but, to get to the point, Naruto fighting evil versions of himself is the most interesting part of the series.
Without that, you're left with villains like Deidara, Kakuzu, fucking Orochimaru, who are all interesting in their own right (except Kakuzu), but they don't add to Naruto.
Naruto's confrontation with Gaara, Pain and Obito all added to his character, and those confrontations were the interesting part of the story.
This complaint also comes from people who don't like Sasuke as well, and I'd like to point out, he's the most interesting character in the story. He's probably one of the more unique rivals/antagonists in Jump period, as his philosophy and strength develops parallel and at odds to the main characters throughout the entire course of the story, and his path is genuinely interesting for what starts as a generic revenge story.
>Gaara still is. The series even fucking hammers this in, especially the scene before they leap at each other for that last punch.
Yeah, but the complaint was the 'dynamic', and Gaara doesn't have a dynamic with anybody, that's his character, that's why he's the way he is.
>3 is already overdoing it and reeks of laziness before you get into every major trio except the other actually interesting sidelinded teams being a fucking Team 7 clone except literally every girl team member was better.
It's not lazy because that's what Kishimoto wanted to write. It's his fucking story, he wanted the main character to have meaningful conflict with people, who were like him and went down a bad path Naruto could easily go down, and have Naruto challenge and disprove them.
Calling it lazy because Naruto has antagonists who parallel him is a fucking lazy criticism you took from that awful youtube video that every retard here has seen.
I lke the parallels desu, i thought kishi pulled them off well. Just wish he had written sakura differently as the paralells show with tsunade, konan and rin that he can write an entertaining female MC.
>And Yahiko is nothing like Sasuke
Yahiko was Naruto. Nagato was Sasuke.
Nagato went off the deep end because he didn't have his Naruto keep him in check anymore.
>Would genocide the world for
she was qt
Sakura's character is 'the forgotten third'.
Of course, her parallels all share that.
Nagato was not Sasuke. He was meant to parallel Naruto. He was trained by Jiraiya, he wanted to protect his friends, he shared the same prophecy as Naruto, he even calls Naruto "The sequel to Nagato" at one point (paraphrasing here).
He is not Sasuke's parallel, just because he has special eyes.
She was. I'd definetely murder my entire clan for her. And village. Fuck it, I'd wipe out half the planet only for her to graze my dick with just as much as her elbow
Nagato:
>Comes from a massacred clan.
>Special eyes.
>Overemotional.
>Best friend is a spiky-haired guy who inspires those around him.
>Turns into a mega edgelord one day down the line.
Literally Sasuke. He was nothing like Naruto outside of being Jiraiya's student. Yahiko was 100% a Naruto.
>Comes from a massacred clan.
No, he comes from the Uzumaki clan, but only his parents were killed. Not even intentionally, the Leaf shinobi thought they were enemies because they attacked first.
>Special eyes.
Yes.
>Overemotional.
Like Naruto, who cried like a bitch multiple times and hyperventilated during Five Kage Summit because of all the shit going on.
>Best friend is a spiky-haired guy who inspires those around him.
And Nagato also inspires people around him, Yahiko literally says he's as important as himself.
>Turns into a mega edgelord one day down the line.
Like Obito, another Naruto parallel? Or Gaara?
Naruto isn't truly an underdog story in the slightest, but the reason he defeated Neji with just one punch after getting wrecked he entire shitty fight was to prove him wrong about destiny only for everyone to eventually discover he always had a grand purpose to change the world and defeat Indra, who was going to do things on his own in the worst kind of way as Sasuke. If he wasn't able to bring everyone together, even the Bijuu, as the reincarnation of Asura, everything would have been fucked by Pain (Kakashi is vital to defeat Obito and Kaguya), Madara or Sasuke and the 5 villages might have never come to peace and immediately attacked the others while licking wounds. Neji might as well be from fucking Berserk where everyone but Guts is hopelessly following CAUSALITY whether they do anything or not at all.
*blocks your path*
>assumption
>awful take
>but they don't add to Naruto
Being an evil/sad clone of naruto doesnt make them interesting.
His confrontation with Gaara was interesting. Pain was talk no jutsu and obito was rushed cus kishi wanted to end the series.
>liking sauske this fucking much
I'm cringing.
>It's not lazy because that's what Kishimoto wanted to write
>the writer wanted to be lazy that doesnt make it lazy!!!
Your mental gymnastics are astounding. Keep acting like naruto is some great series where the characters show profound growth.
Read an actual story for once, not a childrens battle manga