Best to worst: Actually good: -Hunter X Hunter (in its best arcs it is superb in every respect) -Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (lacks emotional impact and suffers from a monster of the week format, but many fights are creative to an amazing degree)
Defensible: -One Piece (very emotional at times, decent comic relief, massive breadth in its world and characters, but there's a fucking ton of it and the quality isn't consistent so getting through it can be a chore) -Naruto (its best parts are pretty fantastic, has likable characters, some good fights, and many affecting scenes, but it goes to absolute shit) -Dragon Ball (very charming art, can be decently funny before Z, lacking in emotional impact, good at times but also absolute shit at times, particularly in later segments) -BnHA (painfully unoriginal but mostly well executed, character designs are great)
Shit: -One Punch Man (gimmick kills all tension, isn't actually that funny, overall a pretty bland amalgamation of shounen tropes with barely any suspense or emotional resonance) -Bleach (has almost no well defined characters, no emotional impact, no thematic substance, nothing redeeming beyond some good fights and character designs) -Fairy Tale
Should add stuff like Gash Bell, Hitman Reborn, Magi and stuff like that. I rate Naruto in the actually good section. One of the best shonen out there, and unironically so. Only contrarian niggers on Zig Forums disagree.
Eli Bailey
This thread is shit. Kill yourself OP.
Andrew Cook
Those didn't go viral.
I'd add FMA and Demon Slayer.
Lucas Gutierrez
>I only read mainstream shit and also I'm a huge faggot
Blake Baker
OP here, how did you know I suck dick?
Cooper Kelly
I never said the series in the OP are the only things I've watched. If I could include all the battle manga I've read, Shaman King and Medaka Box would be rated above Jojo's.
Demon Slayer goes right under OPM, FMA is above or below Hunter X Hunter.
Kevin Reyes
Are gash bell and assclass any good? Been lacking a good shonen lately
Christian Richardson
AssClass is solid. It works well as a dumb comedy with some emotional moments, but the action in it is all bad, so it depends on what you're looking for.
If I were to rank Gash Bell, I would honestly put it in shit tier. A lot of people really love it, but having read it as an adult I think most of the affection for it is nostalgia.
Jonathan Gutierrez
>Those didn't go viral. I mentioned extremely popular series with very high sales figures.
Jack Evans
Yes. AssClass is a 9.3/10. Gash Bell is a solid 8.4/10. I recommend both. >I'm a an edgelord on Zig Forums >I only watch moeshit
Kys faggot
Isaiah Rogers
Gash is a fantastic battle shonen. i'd put it in A-tier.
Ethan Jackson
shitty thread shitty OP
Jayden Jenkins
t. mentally stunted wotaku who reads every FOTW romcom manga on the market
John Martinez
What did you like about it?
Camden Jenkins
very strong character writing, hype moments, great gags between the action, every character gets their character arc resolved in a satisfying way, even one off characters.
really its biggest strength comes down to its characters and their goals, motivations and relationships.
Oliver Lewis
I wouldn't say Jojo lacks emotional impact. It's all emotional, from Jonathan hugging Dio's head to Polnareff and Iggy's desperation against Vanilla Ice to Johnny's father showing up at the race hugging Johnny's boots. What it lacks is tightly-knit plot (araki forgot moments) and unbalanced characterizations (Polnareff vs the rest of the crusaders). You would think Araki got how to handle characterizations in Part 7. But in part 8, there are still many side-characters who do nothing. Daiya, Kyo and even Joshu. Granted, it's still ongoing but how long has it been since we saw last saw Kyo?
Charles Turner
>One Punch Man >shounen
>Fairy Tale >Tale
Aaron Cook
BnHA goes in the lowest tier, Bleach goes in defensible, and KnY + OP go in actually good.
Evan Flores
>AssClass >9.3/10 lmao
John Wood
If the shounen/seinen distinction means anything at all beyond how a manga publisher markets itself, then OPM is shounen.
Maybe I was checked out but I don't remember any of the characters. I remember the final villain being a genius baby inside of a bubble for some reason, and I remember Gash having a good character design, and I remember no part of it standing out as good to me. I was much more fond of that mangaka's other work where the children can talk to animals. I mean maybe it's good, I didn't come out of it with well developed criticism as to how it was bad, but it just didn't impress me in any way. Maybe it was my mental state at the time.
>BnHA goes in the lowest tier, Bleach goes in defensible, and KnY + OP go in actually good. Appalling taste. KnY does not belong anywhere above defensible under any circumstances.
Angel Roberts
>Appalling taste. KnY does not belong anywhere above defensible under any circumstances. Incorrect. Even if you bump down KnY to defensible, the other three assignments are absolutely accurate.
Jayden Jenkins
I mean, I could come down on you for this. This is the actual first time I've seen someone speak negative about Gash. But at the same time I've given series people almost universally praise pretty hard mehs too. So you do you.
>Maybe I was checked out but I don't remember any of the characters
thats crazy to me, i remember everyone, even the people who were not part of the main cast cause they all had great character defining moments and motivations.
Blake Morgan
Bleach doesn't have characters dude. The only character in Bleach is the guy with spikey hair and bells on the end, and he's archetypal as fuck. Bleach just dumps a bunch of new character designs out, the reader wonders "ooh I wonder what their powers are", and then there are action scenes where you find out. That's all there is to it. There is nothing emotionally affecting. There is no character development, because there aren't any characters to begin with. Kubo is an autistic freak.
>BnHA goes in the lowest tier I feel like this is fair if you're fed up with generic shounen shit, but if you're fed up with generic shounen shit then KnY also goes into shit tier.
I can see OP in actually good. It does have some pretty high highs, and it's a charming series overall.
Jackson Nelson
I don't know what you're doing outside your romcom containment thread
Ian Green
What about Black Clover?
Isaac Flores
Remember Leo/Zeno's snake lackey and how he got completely characterized in his last two panels?
Ryder Williams
Rodeaux and Chita?
they had more character development in one chapter than most shonen MCs get in 50 volumes.
Levi Rodriguez
Bleach is full of characters that develop over time. Aizen and Ulquiorra in particular have great arcs, for example (and the latter is also a good example of Bleach's emotionally affecting writing). The most absurd thing you stated ITT is Bleach not having any thematic depth, it takes light speed reading or just braindead consumption to believe that.
KnY is great. Unlike the other series on here which have their messages muddled with sprawling lore and retarded detailing, KnY has a central theme that's reinforced by every point of the story up and explored well until the last page of the manga: making peace with death. The fights are tense, power scaling is done superbly with virtually no power creep to speak of, and every character has a distinct personality and design. It's a great shounen and its future adaptations will only highlight that even further.
Good. OP is the best of the bunch.
Jose Sullivan
Gash Bell is great. So is AssClass but it's not actually a battle shonen.
>Aizen and Ulquiorra in particular have great arcs, for example (and the latter is also a good example of Bleach's emotionally affecting writing). How much do either of those characters even talk? Honestly now, those aren't good characters. At best they have philosophies rather than personalities.
You make a good case for KnY, but I found it thoroughly uninventive and boring. I also fucking hate the trope where every minor antagonist gets a sappy flashback, and KnY is a major offender there.
