So is Gilgamesh still the strongest servant in Fate?
So is Gilgamesh still the strongest servant in Fate?
Jaxson Foster
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Colton Long
He's top tier but there is no "strongest servant in Fate" that's a big part of why it was interesting. Everyone has weaknesses and counters. Case in point, Gil-Archer defeats some really powerful foes easily without needing to go all out, but the loses to his own arrogance and someone 'weak' who happens to be a good counter to him. Fate is a universe with Offensive Bias, ie., the strongest spear is always much greater then the strongest shield, not like typical shonen where higher power level = invincible to lower power level since offense and defense go up equally.
Brandon Campbell
Easton Evans
Related, but Kiritsugu could have driven Tokiomi out of his mansion by calling a bomb threat and the whole neighbor hood would be evacuated. It's really simple
Luis Morris
Exactly. Being stronger in fate doesn't mean being impervious to a beam laser attack it mean beaing more skilled, experienced, having more versitaile abilites and non exploitable weaknesses ect.
Jayden Richardson
as long as he pulls ea as his first move, yes
Elijah Ward
Even then that's not a sure win
Henry Scott
I see you need a quick rundown on Gilgamesh:
>divine spirits bow to Gilgamesh
>in contact with Types
>possesses clairvoyance-like abilities
>controls Uruk with a fair but iron fist
>was the first hero ever recorded
>owns all the treasures of the world
>direct descendant of the ancient divine bloodline
>will bankroll the first city-states in Babylonia (Uruk will be the first city)
>all Saint Quartz trace their existence back to his vault
>practices Prima Nocta, 99% of humanity can trace their ancestry to Gil
>first post-humans will look like Gil
>said to have 215+ IQ, such intelligence on Earth has only existed deep in temples of Ishtar & the Cedar Forest
>defeated Huwawa and Gugalanna
>ancient Babylonian scriptures tell of a demigod who will descend upon Earth and bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with him
>founded /fgog/ and /fgoalter/
>you are reading his thread right now
>Gilgamesh is in regular communication with the Director and the Pope, forwarding the word of Gil to the Church and Association. Who do you think set up the meeting between the Director, the Pope and Zelretch (first meeting between the three powers in over 2000 years) and arranged Chaldea's first trip to Babylonia in history literally a few day's travel from Uruk itself?
>learned fluent Japanese in under a week
>judges the dead in the Underworld
>built a wall and made other city states pay for it
>nation states trust their gold reserves with Gil. There's no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Uruk
>He appears about 3 decades old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society
>in reality, he is a timeless being existing in the Throne of Heroes at all points in time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe. We don't know his ultimate plans yet. We hope he's a benevolent being.
Landon Bennett
I dunno any servant who can tank it
only enkidu can counter it on account of it being a threat to humanity
Ryan Stewart
Dodge out of the way
Which reminds me of a FSN fic crossover where Naruto used Substitution on both Excalibur and Ea to dodge them
Colton Robinson
it can literally destroy the whole world
you can't just dodge it
Brody Turner
The Counter Force would drop harder than all dubstep on Gil if he tried that. There's a reason he only uses the lowest settings except for Tiamat
Jaxson Martin
Richard slapped gilgamesh around when they fought
Jace Miller
Theoretically yes, in practice not really.
Jaxon Bell
The Counter Force doesn't work that way.
Brody Ortiz
>you can't just dodge it
piccolo would like a word with you
Camden Hall
Yes, he is the Beast slayer.
Austin Green
He’s the most fun to shitpost with
Grayson Roberts
From the wiki
>Despite being called "the will of the planet/mankind", the Counter Forces bear no emotions. They are described as passive spirals of energy that respond to threats of planet destruction or human extinction. The Counter Forces are always active, constantly steering mankind and the planet away from potential danger. Usually, the Counter Forces act indirectly. For instance, Shiki Ryougi was driven by the Counter Force to eliminate the threat that is Souren Araya, while historically, Joan of Arc is also named as one who was empowered by the Counter Force. One exception to this is Enkidu, who is able to access the Counter Force directly through their Noble Phantasm, Enuma Elish.
Ryan Foster
So who's the closes to being the strongest then? Who's the servant less likely to lose against the greatest number of other servants?
Ayden Evans
name one time the counter force did anything at all ever
Benjamin Allen
Quetz seeing as she can't be harmed by anyone with a "Good" alignment, not shitting you
Aaron Moore
No
Eli Taylor
>Saver
>Solomon
>King Hassan
>Romulus
>Orion
>Karlemagne
>Galahad
>Super Karna
>Arjuna Alter
>Alcides/Herk
>Watcher probably
>Pale Rider
>Alter Ego Kiara
Some off the top of my head that are probably stronger in combat.
John Moore
The counterforce has been btfo countless times in fgo. It got instantly btfo by the alien god's invasion and was getting btfo in the other lostbelts too.
Ethan Sanders
>AUO CASTOFF!
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Asher Butler
I'm still waiting for them to release Archer Hercules or at least feature him in the story. He's always being hyped as the strongest shit ever in any of the Knight classes (or basically any non-Berserker class).
Thomas Phillips
He's the strongest when it comes to immediate burst damage I guess. Problem is that's no longer really relevant anymore.
Ayden Mitchell
Avenger from the 3rd HGW is clearly the strongest. He was the first one to reach the holy grail during his HGW and he didn't even need to kill anyone.
Chase Ortiz
Gilkek supposed to have proto version of every NP. Where is his Gundam?
Aaron Harris
He already has a spaceship so I think it's safe to assume he also has a mech
Carter Turner
Unironically no
Easton Jenkins
You can just think of the Counter Force is sort of a rudimentary defense A.I. It'll almost always eventually respond to threats, but there are ways to kinda fool it long enough that even if it does react it no longer matters.
In the past, it seemed like summoning Servants to kill bothersome things for it was its basic mode of operations, but it seems that this is actually the easiest thing to bypass. At least in FGO, the number of times it summons a Servant on its own are pretty few in number. There always seems to be some kinda bounded field or whatever in place that makes it very difficult for the Counter Force to summon a Servant to deal with an issue on its own. In such cases, then, it'll take advantage of what's already there. Normally what it does is, if there's a Holy Grail or equivalent power in the area, it'll take advantage of the grail's passive Servant summoning function to summon Servants that might be able to help fix the situation. These are independent Servants, meaning they don't have Masters and don't receive backup from the planet, so they're weaker than normal Servants summoned by the Counter Force itself. It's also implied to take advantage of the Master of Chaldea's presence. In the first Lostbelt, when Guda summons a Servant, they summon Avicebron, a new Servant that they'd never summoned before despite all the Spirit Origins they had recorded already. Considering how insanely useful Avicebron was in that Lostbelt, it's believed that the Counter Force basically influenced the summoning ritual to have Guda summon the most convenient Servant for their purposes.