So did Hayama develop at all? He still maintains his superficial clique and refuses to acknowledge that he likes any particular girl except giving initial to Tobe. He is warming up to Hachiman and did reconcile with Yukino....but has he really grown in any way?
Oregairu
I want to kill this fucking cunt!
Fuck off with these generals.
Not really, he's pretty much stayed the same through out. The viewer was just mostly unaware of his true nature until later in the series.
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I thought we were aware of his true nature early on? I thought it was just Hachan being in denial because he was “good” at readIng people?
He is a male in a harem story, of course he wont have any development
Yes and no. He is the type that is super fake. He does exactly as is expected:
>stupid bitches attention whoring about being ugly
>Hayama tells them that they are beautiful
He avoids conflict as much as possible.
This is completely opposite to the 8man.
So yes, he has developed a bit.
Hayama failing is to make 8man look good.
Now that's alpha
But if he’s always been like that, then he hasn’t developed but is just static.
Personality wise no, but him warming up to 8man is some development. That is why I said yes and no, it depends how much you expect change and what kind of, to call it developing at all.
pretty much this, Hayama has to appear oblivious other girls feelings to keep his friendships and status. "everyone's hayama hayato"
he's kind of like that protagonist from Haganai, in that sense.
But isn’t that just part of Hayama's wanting to be everyone's friend?
He pushed Hachiman regarding Yukino out of guilt and regret for his past. I don't know if that counts as "development", seems like self-cucking because you can't have the girl you love.
How would you guys have wanted Oregairu to end?
I mean I'm fine as is, it's just that it was dragged out and would have preferred if it ended earlier. I only really care about character development and not so much about romance desu.
Did he ever solve his own problems or was he still running to Hikigaya to solve them?
It was good, last arc felt a bit dragged on but that may be because the time between releases. In general maintained the quality of previous volumes. Most people dissatisfied with the ending are those that didn't like Yukino very much or preferred to see Hachiman with someone else. Kinda pointless as she was the obvious choice since a while back.
I have particularly mixed feelings about it, I guess. On one hand I kinda like Yukino's character, she seems unrealistically perfect at the start, just to show that she's a mess internally and it's done very well (although its still a cliche), her development across the series is nice, shown by her actions and views in a consistent way, and her banter with Hachiman can be very funny. It's clear that they both developed as they did in great part because each other's influence. Her growing friendship with Yui, recognizng 8man's efforts, looking at her own flaws, etc. By the end she has become a more mature person while still a bit flawed and human. Which is a total achievement, given that her mother and sister act like assholes for no good reason even when they have good intentions.
...On the other hand, she's plain uninteresting when compared to other characters (who seem also deeper than initial impressions and some have also very funny interactions), the narrative almost always takes her side (whatever solution she has to the problem is most likely to be the correct one and only hindered by circumstances), as the series progresses she becomes a shoujo protag with bouts of hypercompetence, her build-up drama started interesting and quickly became 'meh', while the few problems that could actually hinder her relationship with Hachiman went mostly unanswered, being waved off as 'they have each other and that'll make them overcome it' and leaving only the 'moe' parts.
This is all my opinion tho, and a 'me' problem.
No, he didn’t. Nor did he want to. Shit, I remember, some guy in some forum saying that if Hachiman didn’t take Hayama request to solve his clique problems, Hayama would have done so. Which is just hilariously wrong.
No, because the author wasn't interested when he could jerk off Hachiman.
>and did reconcile with Yukino
Can you even call that a reconciliation? It was less them outright making up and more her just moving past all his bullshit. It wasn't an act of forgiveness on her end because the event had merely become to trivial and insignificant to matter anymore.
This, it was just Yukino overwriting her bad memories with him with the 8inch.
I would have preferred an ending that either wasn't romantic or, at the very least, not immediately romantic. For all of the interesting character psychology the series had going on, the ending ultimately wound up being the same tired Amor Vincit Omnia shit you see everywhere and arguably even less believable than usual. You mean to tell me that this cast of mostly fucked up people who don't love themselves will be exorcised of their personal demons by their teenage puppy love AND gain the ability to successfully love others in the process? It's something I find actively distasteful.
Man imagine spending years feeling guilty over something yet still remaining to cowardly to do anything about it. Imagine if someone else comes in, fixes the mess you broke and when you finally have the guts to own up, you're treated with a dismissive "I don't care." They're not mad or hurt but they haven't forgiving you either, and they never will either, and it's not because they're holding a grudge, it's because you matter so little to them now that it's not even worth caring about.
Hayama did make the rumors of Yukino stop though, but by making rumor bait with Yumiko and Iroha in the process.
I think he also wanted to be forgiven by Haruno, which I think never happened. So he still has to live with that for the rest of his life.
Hachiman should have went for the brutal solution, telling Yumiko that Hayama was the one who brought Tobe to the club thinking the confession was a great thing, and telling Hayama it was his idea so he'd have to deal with the shit, and telling Ebina sorry this is what Hayama wanted. Use that cunt for scapegoat all around.
Remember when it was Hayama who was spreading rumors about his friends so they'd fight
Still doesn't make sense to me why Hayama brought Tobe to the club to solve his clique problem. He knew what would happen and put his plan to bring Yukino and Hachiman together would be put in jeopardy.
Opposite of love being apathy and all that. It is just that he matters so little to her now that she doesn’t even care.