He was right about everything...

He was right about everything. The fact that he was able to rise the ranks proves that Britannia could be changed from the inside.

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He was wrong about everything, and ironically through all his posturing attempts to "be a good person" he was worse than Lelouch until he realised how wrong he had been throughout the whole show.

he killed millions

I want to fuck Rolo so bad

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The fact that Japan could fight a rebellion is because he ended the war early. If he hadn't done that there would be no strength left in Japan
Because of the order Lelouch gave him

Dude me too
I want to fuck his brains out and he gets super attached to me

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>Britannia could be changed from the inside
Yeah, no, either Charles or Schneizel would have caused irreparable damage to the world before that could happen.

Aight too much internet for you secondary, get the fuck out of here reddit

He literally said that Lelouch was right

Doesn't Lelouch rising up and taking over Britannia and then conquering the entire world only to be martyred to help move the world onto the next age kind of prove the point that things needed to be changed from within though?

Yeah but going to a soup store to buy clothes is still dumb

That would be the dream.

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The only reason Charles failed was because of Lelouch.
The world would have plunged into chaos long before Suzaku would have the power to do anything meaningful for the liberation of district 11 from inside the system.

He betrayed his own people

He's probably worst that Lelouch as a person

A coup d'etait isn't generally considered "changing the system from within".
It's taking over the system and then doing wtf you want with it.

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Lelouch assassinated the emperor and took power by force. That's not change from within, that's a coup d'etat.

>If you suck up to the people who are constantly discriminating against your race maybe they'll be nicer to you
Even if he was right, it wouldn't mean shit once Charles turns on the thought elevator.

He was part of the royal family so it was despite all your protests a change from within.
By the Emperor's own admission (the weak die, the strong rule), this is legally consistent.

>He was part of the royal family
That doesn't make it not a coup. There are countless examples in history of younger princes, dukes, etc. overthrowing the ruling monarch they're related to. Usually by force but sometimes it happens bloodlessly (that's a "palace coup"). It's not "change from within", it's a rejection of the current legal system.
>By the Emperor's own admission (the weak die, the strong rule), this is legally consistent.
Edgy villain ideology isn't a legal system. Britannia is still a monarchy, the system is that the throne passes to the next in line. That's definitely not Lelouch (he's what, 10th in line?).

He was able to rise because he was literally the son of Japan's last Prime Minister

That would be the argument from the loyalist perspective.
The essence of a coup is that it mostly needs to have legal basis, for example, a long lost heir to the title of Emperor. The palace raid lends justification to that coup because the royal family was involved.

Rolo so cute...

I don't remember this show perfectly. But wasn't Britannia an absolute monarchy? Other than marrying Euphemia and fighting a succession war, how the hell else could he change anything?

That's cool but why did he eat the table?

*Charles turns the world into NGE soup*

Suzacuck: "Guys, here's how reform is still possible"

He could have done that, which Lelouch interfered with.
Or he could have become Knight of One and taken Japan as his personal holdings, which was his second idea. Which Lelouch also interfered with.

Lelouch was not Japanese, his Japanese rebellion had absolutely nothing to do with freedom for the Japanese, it was about his personal revenge. He got thousands of Japanese killed, and caused harsh crackdowns on Japanese through his actions. Suzaku meanwhile was doing the opposite, serving as a positive example which was loosening the leash around Japan's neck

Most of the Black Knights were already part of a resistance before Lelouch took over, its not like he made them rebel against Britannia. They would have died even more senselessly without him.

>He was part of the royal family
That's not how this works.
"from within" implies from within the system.
This coup was done from outside the system and for the people outside of the system (the 11's).
Military coups (specifically) are mostly done to overthrow the system, because of dissatisfaction.

>The essence of a coup is that it mostly needs to have legal basis
No. It's ILLEGALLY forcing the government to step down to become the government.

>Most of the Black Knights were already part of a resistance before Lelouch took over
Yes, the enemy of my enemy....