Genre Deconstruction

A deconstruction is when a show presents and uses tropes of one genre, but is actually part of another genre. Used when someone wants to call a show smart.
A parody is when a show presents and uses tropes of one genre, but is actually part of another genre. Used when someone wants to call a show funny.
A satire is when a show presents and uses tropes of one genre, but is actually part of another genre. Used when someone wants to call a show both smart and funny.

>So what anime are actually deconstructions of their genre
There is no such thing.

The made up definition is basically "what if x but more realistic". So basically you take some tropes or a genre and then you put it in a more down to earth context. That's not the original definition of the term as it applies to literature but that's basically how the term is used on Zig Forums and probably other boards too when they talk about things being deconstructions. So just don't listen to anyone who uses the term deconstruction. It's just an idea people try and apply to things they like to make them seem more important than they are. It doesn't help that they're applied to things like Eva or Madoka, which were released so late in the history of their genres that they were released after so much other subversive content in their genres. But the people who use the term haven't watched any of the older stuff and so don't know that.

>The made up definition is basically "what if x but more realistic".
That's what they like to claim but it never actually makes sense.
Eva isn't any more realistic than Gundam.
And Madoka isn't anymore realistic than Cardcaptor Sakura

This. It's a meme used by newfags to define something that has nice visual appeal or well done in some aspect that they haven't seen before because they haven't seen enough anime.
So they think it's super subversive and unique when it's just a well done show.

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Is Modoka Magic good? A friend of mine recommended it since he knows I love FMA:B.

I told him hate cutesy anime girl bs.

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Nice bait.

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If I recalled correctly, deconstruction means you apply real-life consequences on a fictional works. Another note : real-life consequences =/= edgy

Basically the realism for them comes from making everything go to shit because of the tropes. It's mostly used in cases where the show is depressing and treats whatever the show is about (piloting a mech or being a magical girl for instance) like some terrible thing. I don't think I've ever seen someone call a show that wasn't depressing or angsty a deconstruction. Because apparently being dark is more realistic, or dark shows are the ones people think are better because they want to feel mature. It's the same as the soft seinen bullshit.

Aint no one baiting anyone negro, I'm for real.

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Excellent quality bait, my man. Keep it up.

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What did Re:Zero deconstruct again?
Isekai?

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>retards with low powerlevel thought certain shows were deconstructions when they weren't or insisted that these shows that they liked were in fact deconstructions because in their minds it made them "cooler" or not like everything else
That is LITERALLY everyone who has ever used the word "deconstruction" to apply to anime. The original term refers to fucking 2deep analytical essays about the meaning of words and shit. If anyone ever says "X anime is a deconstruction," they're being faggots misusing a term to make "this series uses a cliche in a way different than the most common one" sound like some fucking weird deep artistic endeavor.

A series where instead of being happy or dying girls do boring housework and go to bathroom?

Yes. As in around 2009 or so whenever madoka came out we used to make fun of idiot madokafags who had never seen a Mahou Shoujo before. And then it became a meme and now people think this is actually what it means.

OPM isn't a deconstruction.
Madoka is.
Re:Zero tries to be but fails because its writing is shit.
>Also why are people unable to pin down what a deconstruction.
Because anime is an escapist medium inherently attractive to children, manchildren and low IQ subhumans. An average weeb is completely incapable of critical thinking, that's why anitube is such a joke and decent professional critique of anime comes only from random film/game/whatever critics that normally don't even watch anime.

Wasn't "genre deconstruction" just a tvtropes faggot meme that they made to make shit seem deeper than they are which they got from a concept in literature?

Yes.

You're a retard.

"Deconstrucrtion" in a pop-culture sense means "applying rea-life logic or consequences to fictional tropes" and just because you're an anti-intellectual imbecile incapable of doing that doesn't mean everyone else is.

How come not a single one of you mentioned this Conan-archetype-destroyer of chad

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What is Madoka deconstructing?

Digi, why aren't you killing yourself yet?

And where did you get that definition, tvtropes? reddit?

This.

The problem is that "real life consequences" always means that the show is dark or edgy. It's selective and only used by people who barely watch anime.

Usually applied on fictional works with extraordinary premise. Example : Mahou shoujo who prefer to fight villains rather than do her homework. This is where the negative result aka deconstruction comes in : her grades became poor and she was grounded by her parents.

How is OPM a desconstruction?

Open the tvtvropes page for Madoka and ctrl+F 'decon', stupid fuck, not my job to spoonfeed you the most basic media literacy.

Literary deconstruction, from which genre construction is derived involves inverting certain elements of a text to reveal underlying relationships not otherwise apparent.
A genre deconstruction is an extrapolation of this, inverting certain aspects of the genre of the work in order to show prominent undercurrents of these works in a different light.
Classic examples from Evangelion and Madoka:
Eva - inverting the character archetypes genders and the effect this has on their dynamics
Madoka - exactly what kind of motive does a small cute creature have for giving teenage girls magic powers in exchange for forcing them to fight monsters?
Typically, this gives the works a more "realistic" bend by placing characters in high stakes situations they wouldn't face if the genre was being played straight.
Ignore anyone who simply says it's anime genre but realistic, and apply that twice to anyone who says there's no such thing. Postmodern philosophy already upsets and confuses a lot of people, and making a derivation of a postmodernist concept for storytelling purposes only upsets and confuses more people.

>in a pop-culture sense
Right, the sense made up by people who wanted to make their series sound deep for doing anything slightly different from formula.

>applying rea-life logic or consequences to fictional tropes
>yeah, man, if you apply real life logic to magic powers then they'd destroy your soul
?

So half magic fights, half slice of life?

>tvtvropes

>real-life consequences =/= edgy
>I don't think I've ever seen someone call a show that wasn't depressing or angsty a deconstruction.
Well Konosuba comes up in these discussions often, right? It's not depressing or edgy, but it's more "realistic" in the sense that Kazuma is a lazy jackass no matter what world he's in.
Still, I wouldn't call it a deconstruction. More like "flips common isekai tropes on their heads to make jokes." So what's that, just comedy isekai?

Who the fuck is Digi? I'm just an angry user tired of this shit.

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Genre deconstruction =/= philosophical or literary deconstruction
You can try all you like to claim it's a misunderstanding or misappropriation but the cat is out of the bag and not going back in

It isn't, people like to call it a deconstruction because normalfags that don't want to be considered normalfags are super insecure about their tastes and can't allow themselves to admit that they like a shounen anime so they make up bullshit about how the show is actually a DEEP COMMENTARY on the GENRE AS A WHOLE pointing out it's FLAWS and TROPES. Shit's basically people applying huge generalizations to the genres they watch while wanting to seem smarter than they are.

>Madoka - exactly what kind of motive does a small cute creature have for giving teenage girls magic powers in exchange for forcing them to fight monsters?
Where is anything inverted in that? That's just giving things a motive and background which is absolutely normal storytelling and doesn't seem to involve any specific kind of analytic approach.

>Eva - inverting the character archetypes genders and the effect this has on their dynamics
That’s not what’s happening in Eva.

see You're such a fucking faggot

>exactly what kind of motive does a small cute creature have for giving teenage girls magic powers in exchange for forcing them to fight monsters?
How does that sound anything like what you just said a deconstruction was?

That’s usually just called parody.

TV Tropes is populated by retards and I'm not interested in what they think. I would like you to back up your statement that Madoka Magica is a deconstruction.

Something like that, as long as negative consequences is shown due characters make bad decisions.

Literal experts can’t even agree on what the exact definition of a deconstruction is, as if you’re you’re gonna get a precise answer from some jabronis on Zig Forums.

Honestly, I’d say the meme definition that popularly gets thrown around has more of a practical purpose than the true definition anyway. There are enough shows that definitely utilize the concept that there should be an convenient word to describe it.

What anime do you like, user?

KonoSuba plays tons of isekai fantasy cliches perfectly straight. Even calling it a parody would be too much.

Utilizes what concept?

Inverted from benign to malicious
There's a lot of things going on in Eva, imo that's one of them

It’s not uncommon for things that wa intended to be parodic all to then turn into the thing it is parodying.

Kyubey's motivations aren't malicious. They're arguably pretty similar to those of most Precure mascots, ie saving the world.

Asuka is not a male archetype, in fact in many ways she is the female archetype of a tsundere. Which was already pretty well established by the time of Eva.