>tl;dr: for the past 5 years we have not had a new big IP.
So I've been thinking why the new seasonal animes no longer feel as magical and while part of it is subjective part of it is backed up by sales figures. Pic related shows the AVERAGE dvd sales across all VOLUMES, taken from someanithing.com/1 What does AVERAGE mean? Take Osumatsu-san for example. Initially during the first months after the first VOLUME was released it lay right in between Bake and Madoka. As more volumes were released the average lowered and now its firm on 6th place. What does a VOLUME mean? A dvd volume usually contains 3-6 episodes and costs about 50 bux, meaning that if you wanted to buy an entire 24 episode season you would pay somewhere in range of 200-400 bux. Just take that in for a second. Why do these dvd sales matter? They are a general indicator of how popular an anime is. So I was browsing through the data and I noticed that among the top 50 only 7 were released in since 2016. Out of these ONLY Yururi!! On ice is a new IP. The rest are either consecutive seasons or based on popular video games. For example: Koyomimonogatari is the 10th season of the monogatari franchise and Manaria Friends is based on a video game and is also a second season. This does not mean that they are bad in any way but if you are not already invested in the franchise you will not be getting the sort of enjoyment/endorphine kick that you want.
IMO what we are waiting for is the first season of something spectacular, think bake, madoka, SnK, Love Live, Code Geass, Haruhi, K-On. An argument can be made that some of the new shows measure up to the old ones but the sales figures say otherwise, remember, Osumatsu was top 10 as soon as the first dvds hit the shelves.
There is a bunch of ifs/buts/asterix/things to be taken into consideration, I'll be lurking in the thread and answering them as we go.
>>tl;dr: for the past 5 years we have not had a new big IP Going by sales, if I take your image as a hint. Why are you using an outdated measurement in an age where everybody is streaming and an ever increasing part of the revenue is from streaming rights, not disk sales?
Jason Wood
Kemono Friends happened in the last 5 years retard. Disc sales are universally down, presumably because of streaming.
Ayden Reyes
gbf and yuri on ice, know what 5 years mean. Princess Connect will sell over 30K as well this season, bakarina over 10K
Not that it matters since streaming is profitable enough to fund new seasons like prison nanbaka.
Lucas Campbell
It’s not that there aren’t any new blockbusters, it’s just that physical media sales are an outdated revenue stream. I’m sure something like Re:Zero for instance makes a fuck ton of profit off of Rem merchandise and would accurately qualify as a blockbuster despite not showing up on this chart.
Adrian White
Some things I should mention right now: >Unpopular !=bad. This is true but some of the shows hailed as prime examples of their genres such as Haruhi and Code Geass also have the sales figures to back them up. In addition shows like madoka not only set the entire board ablaze but they also score high sales figures. Personally I think Rakugo is a hidden gem and I'm fine with it being unpopular.
>Not all sales are equal: The World of Golden Egg is the best example. It has incredibly high numbers but their volumes usually contain something like 20 episodes or so. Also its basically japanese south park.
>Long running shows: something like Gintama accumulate great revenue across multipe seasons, to compare them to shows like Madoka which only have 12 episodes is futile. But what we want is something like Gintama S1 and Madoka in the first place.
>DVD sales != Total revenue: Something like pokemon basically loses money on the anime and only uses it for advertisement, while earning a ton of money on merch. Again what we want is something like pokemon S1.
>koyomimonogatari is not actually the 10th season. I have no idea what number it is but the franchise had more than 50 episodes prior to it.
To adress : >DVDs are an outdated indicator of sales: Consecutive seasons still manage to achieve high dvd sales, which means that japanese people are still buying dvds. The reason for this is its own topic of discussion.
>Streaming vs DVDs: it is easier to use DVDs as measuring stick than streaming numbers because they indicate a japanese persons willingness to pay - for each person who buys a volume there might be multiple who buy poster of a figurine, a stream does not generate income. Each unit of sold volume is an income of 50 bux.
Hudson Morris
Hero academia movie is first of all a movie and secondly it is based on an existing franchise: Hero Aca. I was btw hype af about hero aca S1
Ayden Adams
Learn how the reply and quote functions work faggot.
Oliver Foster
I mentioned Yuri, which is the exception. GBF is based on a video game. It was popular because the game was popular. It was not a new Haruhi or a new Code Geass.
Noah Long
I don't know what has happened to the industry but they are no longer producing hits like SnK and Love Live
Jacob James
I don't get it, OP said blockbuster. Heroaca is a blockbuster. He's conveniently only looking at jap dvd sales. Makes no sense. There are plenty of ridiculously popular and profitable manga/anime that have been made recently. He's just being a schizo fuck.
Jack Walker
So, basically, your point is not about sales per se, but why Originals don't hit the spot like they used to? Probably because anime moved to being advertisement.
Isaac Diaz
>while part of it is subjective part of it is backed up by sales figures >An argument can be made that some of the new shows measure up to the old ones but the sales figures say otherwise Mate, sales figures are not an objective measurement of how "magical" something is. It's a measurement of other people's opinions. You're retarded.
Luis Hernandez
>Consecutive seasons still manage to achieve high dvd sales, which means that japanese people are still buying dvds. Or that they don't want just half of a series in their shelf. Or something else.
>a stream does not generate income. Yes it does.
Daniel Hall
>Probably because anime moved to being advertisement. Anime has always been advertisement.
Jason Hernandez
The term blockbuster should refer to movie sales. There really isn't an equivalent for "DVD blockbuster" so I just used blockbuster as is. Even so: the Hero Academia was not a new IP. Hero Aca anime was and it got both me and Zig Forums fired up. But it did not measure up to Free or SoL in dvd sales. Yes the manga is profitable, but the anime is not and acts like a commercial rather than a product. Compare how fired up Zig Forums was about Code Geass to how it reacted to Hero Aca S1.
Leo Jones
>disc sales >in 2020 user, maybe you want to take a look at the top of the VERY PAGE YOU PUT IN YOUR OP IMAGE (pic related). The guy fucking giving this sales data to you has acknowledged for years that disc sales aren't important anymore, that's why they're falling.
That it has. But at the level of sales the CLANNAD anime had it could support the anime on DVD sales alone. This implies that the merch and the VN sold as well. It also implies that a lot of people decided that it was worth paying 200-400 bux for just the DVDs after they had already seen the show. Compare it to how much money most people spend on tv-series/anime/movies.
Leo Price
That's what I'm saying, DVD sales are a useless metric.
Christian Bennett
You are compressing a bunch of different things into one and then trying to pass it off as common sense. This is not reasonable. And it is especially not reasonable when there is a new trend that you are completely ignoring even though obviously it affects new titles more than old ones. You are just fabricating your own reality that perfectly fits your starting hypothesis. This is the antithesis of science.
Dominic Roberts
>Or that they don't want just half of a series in their shelf. Or something else Might be so, but the japanese consumer has the option of spending their money on new IPs instead. They choose not to.
>Yes it does. The advertisement does. We do not have the data available on this and can therefore not use it to compare different animes to eachother. If we do have the data then please tell me.
Thomas Lee
None of those streaming hits are even close as big as Madoka or Bake was.
Andrew Watson
>They choose not to. Or maybe the problem is that the youngsters don't even have the equipment to watch DVDs with. So it's only old-fags who buy any disks at all. There are a lot of possibilities that you are just completely ignoring. >The advertisement does. No, the stream itself. The studio does not get money for advertisement. They get money for streaming rights. >an therefore not use it to compare That doesn't mean they don't exist. Ignoring them makes your evaluation useless.
Angel Nguyen
I wouldn't argue that they are. I'm just saying he's not doing this correctly and is thus probably drawing incorrect conclusions.
Christian Martin
>Mate, sales figures are not an objective measurement of how "magical" something is. It's a measurement of other people's opinions. You're correct. But there is a chance that my or your opinion will be the same as the majorities, and once again the shows that are generally considered as genre defining are doing well in the sales.
Joseph King
You're referring to pic related right? The owner of the website does not explain his opinion, I've searched around on the website and could not find his motivation for that.
That's because DVDs/BDs haven't been a thing for more than half a decade already.
Adam Watson
how do we measure success now?
Andrew Moore
>We do not have the data available The problem is that the numbers you're looking at aren't the most relevant, just the ones you have access to. It's like a drunk looking for his missing keys under a street light because that's where the light is, rather than because that's where he dropped them.
Isaac Roberts
I am using the data available, we can discuss the reliability of the data if you want. You are also free to present new data if you wish. >This is the antithesis of science. Fella, I am sitting on Zig Forums talking about how anime isn't what it used to be. I am not writing my paper right now.
I don't know. Look up popular Chinese and Japanese streaming services and check out their data?
Wyatt Howard
I want a new huge IP too. Something I can enjoy.
Ian Hughes
>Or maybe the problem is that the youngsters don't even have the equipment to watch DVDs with. So it's only old-fags who buy any disks at all. Might be the case, but the oldfags are still there and their money is still enough to support the next bakemonogatari if they get one. I suggest that nothing bar Yuuri has lived up to bake in the bast years and that the oldfags therefore choose to spend their money elsewhere.
>No, the stream itself. The studio does not get money for advertisement. They get money for streaming rights. Does japanese Netflix/HBO have seasonal shows or do they have their own japanese service.
>That doesn't mean they don't exist. Ignoring them makes your evaluation useless. Look. Do not compare streaming rev to dvd rev. Compare dvd rev between shows and you'll get a good enough estimate of how popular it is.
Noah Diaz
>you'll get a good enough estimate of how popular it is. Prove it.
Connor Jenkins
>Anime no longer has NEW blockbusters Because there are no NEW anime. Then: >Badass Manly Anime Heroes to go GAR over. Now: >herbivores terrified of everything, but most especially girls. Then: >Complex plots involving shadowy organizations. Now: >How do I fuck my preteen sister? Then: >Needlessly complex cybernetics overlaid with Hans Moravec's human vs transhuman argument and the supposed existence of the human soul in the digital age. Now: >Cute girls drinking tea and fighting over the strawberry on top of the cake slice. Then: >extra-dimenionsal beings have invaded this reality! Using state of the art tech, cybernetics, and sci-fi powers that resemble magic, japan's organizations struggle to keep the population of civilians wholly unaware of the threat menacing the islands. Now: >A threat looms over Japan/ the world. Despite organizations, agencies, and government-funded departments of trained professionals, Japan is utterly powerless to combat this threat, and the fate of the whole world is placed in the hands of a handful of untrained and snarky child soldier(s). Then: >A pair of scientists are discreetly but relentlessly tracking and eradicating the spread of a newly-discovered deadly virus that also causes the infected to turn into horrific monsters. Time is running out as one of the scientists discovers that he himself is infected. Now: >How do I fuck little girls? Then: >A corporation uses untested and potentially dangerous technology stolen from a developer to build a zaibatsu conglomerate. The ruined developer's daughter uses an advanced form of the technology to restore her family's name, bring ruination to the corporate conglomerate, and shut down the use of this technology. Now: >i was just a normal guy with zero talent and/ or personality, and I got sent to another world, where I am inexplicably awesome and everyone wants to fuck me!
Elijah Jackson
>Compare dvd rev between shows and you'll get a good enough estimate of how popular it is No you don't, that's what we're trying to tell you.
Colton Gray
Then: >Humans impudently and irresponsibly create an AI to help preserve the world against environmental threats. The A.I. instantly recognizes humanity as the greatest threat to the Earth's habitat, and wages war. Now: >I I don't actually want to fuck little boys but here are a bunch of little boys boys dressed up like little girls and boy howdy i totally don't want to fuck them, despite the fact that they keep rubbing all over me wearing swimsuits, hadaka aprons, nurses' uniforms, and other fetish gear. Then: >In the grim darkness of the far future, Vampires have carved out kindoms in the world. One man stands against them using sorcery, strange and forgotten technologies, and a bigass sword. Now: >protag with no semblance of personality takes his seat, second to last in the row by the window, and struggles to navigate an increasingly complex love-polygon that he is inexplicably incapable of managing due to his overwhelmingly disengaged and herbivorous lifestyle. Then: >A new form of space travel is discovered, and a spaceship is launched to try it out. Initial tests are successful, but the crew find a wrecked alien ship floating out in the vastness of space. They learn that there is a utopia planet out there, and many immediately vote to find it. Wiser heads want to return to earth, but a mutiny sends them careening through the galaxy. The utopia planet is revealed to be a fully nechanized planet that destorys all life upon finding it. The crew of the ship struggle to escape. Now: >I wanna fuck my sister! Then: >The planet of Venus is struggling to fight for independence. Frankly, they're getting thier asses kicked. An unlikely group of macho bikers, racing bikers, and a reporter join forces to liberate the planet. Now: >histrionic, hysteric, furious girl that is secretly in love with guy punches the guy into orbit for accidentally falling and cupping a boob.
No new ideas. Everything is now derivative.
Henry Gray
>That's because DVDs/BDs haven't been a thing for more than half a decade already. Except they have. Yuurii, GBF, Bahamut S2, Uta no Prince-sama sales fig suggest that the japanese otaku is still cashing out for dvds. You can therefore use dvd sales compare different shows
Thomas Green
If they actually bothered to come up with new ideas, there might be new content. Everything now is just a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of an original idea.
Colton Phillips
i don't even care what genre it is. I just want to enjoy it with Zig Forums for the first time
