What was the point of the chunin exams?

>hey youre all Genin who have potential to bump to Chunin
>we’re gonna put you through a rigorous life or death forest scroll hunt and then a kill or be killed fighting tournament
>oh and theres a written test for some reason

Why would the Leaf village allow children to be put through these circumstances just to become a CHUNIN? A Jonin or Anbu sure, but a chunin? And why do they allow ninjas from other villages to compete? Do they not have their own chuunin exams?

What if a prodigy like Neji or Sasuke died during the exams? Thats a wasted potential ninja who can do big things for the village in the future, what if Naruto died? The Leaf would have been f*cked

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Well, better than Zabuza's village test, that explicitly required killing. The Chuunin Exams were a bunch of nations coming together so in a way it was a proxy battle. I don't get what numbers Zabuza's village was crunching to figure out that culling their own child population would be advantageous in a military sense.

Naruto is a fucking mess but
>the written test is a sham, you could write fuck all on the paper and still pass it was to test how well you could gather intelligence without getting caught
>all villages participate in the same exam and villages take turns hosting, its supposed to he a miniature war game in a way. Its basically ninja Olympics
I had assumed the unit leaders wouldn't elect candidates unless they thought they could handle the forest. My main issue is they test all these skills like infiltration and interrogation and proceed to never use them again in favour of throwing massive energy balls and eyehacks

>What if a prodigy like Neji or Sasuke died during the exams?

Well if they died, they wasn't much of a prodigy.

Imagine if the real world worked like this for the military.
Shit not even special forces kill off potential talent. It serves no purpose.

Could be killed by eating bad fish or the wrong berry

Kishi just wanted his own Hunter Exam. He didn't thought things through

It's something like a cattle auction, showing that your calves are better than your competitor's calves, so they buy your cattle.

In defense of the written exam, it was more about gathering information as a ninja and not letting the pressure of enemy interrogation jeopardize your team and really nothing to do with writing at all

Didn't they literally explain this in the show/manga?
It's a replacement for war between the villages. The various villages send their youngest, and thus least valuable, ninja to directly compete against one another. As a way one one-upping each other and getting more potential contracts for their ninja village.

Being a chunin meets you get assigned the kind of jobs you can die on. If you're not willing to take a test where you might die if you fail, you're not read to be promoted into a rank where you're given jobs where you WILL die if you fail.

The written test was an intelligence gathering test in disguise, Naruto and Sakura were just too stupid to realize. And even that was a sham cover for a test of whether you were willing to put your entire future on the line, which is literally what you do whenever you take jobs where failure means death.

It's brutal because the ninja world is brutal.

They literally tell you why.
It's to assess if the participants have the qualities to make themselves chuunin.
>Information gathering and/or general intelligence
>Willpower
>Survival skills
>Ability to obey authority
>Combat prowess
>Knowing when to give up
Because Shikamaru had all of these quality, he became Chuunin. Had Neji, Sasuke or Naruto died, that would've been sad, but that would've shown they weren't prepared.

The Hunter Exam being as lethal as it is is kinda dumb too desu

Then you could have died the same way on a mission because you were careless and didn't check what you were eating.

I don't think so personally

They literally sent their kids to die in war in the times when Madara and Hashirama were still kids. I think the exam is a tough but it's not literally adults killing children like it used to be.

In his defense, the original Hunter Exam wasn't that well thought out either. It is entirely carried by the characters. Kishimoto managed to steal its concepts, and write a more coherent plot. And then he squandered that momentum and the characters he introduced accross Naruto so quality largelly drops.

Togashi is clearly mostly just setting obstacles in the path of his characters so he can explore them for most of the Hunter Exam. The exact tests are largelly random. Luckily, Togashi manages to use the cast he introduces in clever and interesting ways throughout the entire manga so quality goes up steadily.

>written test
>keen eyed inspectors notice people cheating extremely subtly
>lol imma summon a sand eyeball to look at this dudes answers
>lol imma perform hand seals towards the girl in front of me and fall unconscious for a few minutes while I read her answers
>lol imma just show Naruto my paper in an extremely obvious way

Honestly, the Hunter Exam was kind of hilarious in a black comedy way.
Just have no ideia why Hisoka is still allowed after killing an EXAMINER, not only allowed to retake but is not hunted down by the Hunter Association.

They were aware of all of the cheating. They just didn't call out the cheating they thought was good enough.

Well there are two reasons why the hunter exam is so dangerous, one is that theyre such a prestigious organization and there is such a high bar of entry for being a hunter that they have to weed out the undesirables, the second is that netero is a madman.

To be fair the examiner attacked him first

The rules were that you got disqualified if you got caught cheating THREE times. This was the hint that this was actually a test to see if you could cheat without getting caught.

Hisoka did not kill the Examiner when he was an Examiner. He only fought him. Then the guy shows up in the Hunter exam to try to fight Hisoka again. I doubt even a judge could convict Hisoka for that murder.

Netero was not particularly moral. He is literally friends with a family of assassins. And while there was a moralfag faction in the Association (which get slaughtered in the Election arc) they were clearly a minority and had to put up with Netero and Pariston. Note that Pariston's men are the most numerous (40% of the votes in the Election) and they are mostly "temp hunters". More or less mercs doing jobs for the V5.

They don't give a fuck, they said even the devil himself could take the exam.

Narutard kys

It also felt really weirdly structured. Initial tests of moral characters followed by dangerous-and-potentially-lethal tests you can opt out of if you recognize your own shortcomings followed by "let's just drop everyone off at an island and have them kill each other". Then finally a battle tournament with a no-kill rule.

dumb speed reader

I thought out and out murder was outlawed in the chunin exams? Otherwise Guy wouldn't have saved Gaara, and they'd have let Neji actually kill Hinata instead of just beating her ass.

There was nothing stopping other nations from ganging up on individuals, idiot.

Out and out murder is outlawed in the 1v1 matches, at least when the Leaf hosts the exam.
No one monitors the 2nd exam.

>Initial tests of moral characters
Initial 'moral tests' weren't part of the exam though.

What happens if I ace the written exam without cheating tho

That's what Sakura did, because she was too dumb to realize you were meant to cheat.

That's what Sakura did. They legitimately don't give a shit about the written exam itself, or the "points" from it.
Just if you can spy without getting caught, and if you have the guts to risk your career.

The idea throughout was to test the person's ambition and how resourceful they were in Intelligence, Physical Aptitude and Charisma, to reach that ambition. The exams are largelly chosen by the examineers, who are chosen by Netero, so obviously there is a lack of structure.

We know that the first phase of the next Exam was the badge collecting, and in the one after that the first phase was a written exam.

Still, I have to agree that it barely works.

What does throwing meteors have to do with information gathering?

the point was ninja info cards

Early series made it seem like they would do actual ninja stuff. Spying, theft, assassination, etc.
Then all that got dropped in favor of bigger fights.

The best hunter exam was the one Killua solo'd, simple and to the point.
That's why Karin nearly gets eaten by a bear and Gaara smashes a dude.

>Two giant energy kaiju fighting
>NOW THIS IS A NINJA BATTLE

Nothing. They literally do nothing ninja-like (infiltration, sabotage, espionage, target assassination, working behind the lines etc) in the whole fucking series. Probably the only one who kinda did that was Kabuto in the exam arc itself, other than that the only thing they have in common with ninjas is their weapons.

Shippuden and Pre-timeskip are two different series

Are there any ninja battle shonens that actually involve ninjas being ninjas and not magicians?

How do people still not get this? It's so fucking simple, Hiruzen explains it all explicitly. Fucking speedreaders.

What if I just kill the observers?

It was an opportunity for the villages to posture and advertise themselves to the nations that sponsor them.

I want to suck Madara's huge balls

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It's like making the farmer who wants a shotgun for pest control. Pass the same training and testing that Navy Seals go through.

What happened?

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Read spy or historical fiction if you want that, not an action comic book.

It´s something to test a gennin capacities as leader of their group.

No it's not, it's like making an ROTC cadet take the test Seals go through while being heavily monitored by literally every spec ops unit in the country.

How many people actually passed that exam? I always assumed that only the people who made it to the tournament would rank up but I heard that everyone who passed the written exam had the opportunity to advance if the proctors decided they had what it takes. It seems especially confusing when nardo was the only one who didn't become chuunin despite beating neji.