What will its legacy be? Will it be remembered as the arc that literally killed One Piece...

>We entered in something way bigger than the story's scope

As in the arc was simply a precursor to a larger narrative dilemma? Because if so, One Piece has been doing that since forever.

Whole Cake and Wano are both top tier

I know i'm talking about how oda decided to present the world to us. Everything before marine ford, we saw it through the eyes of the crew, and thus the crew shaped the world around them. Since vegapunk, the crew is no more the tool used for narration. Because of that, there has been little to zero character development since everything is about the side people that lives on those islands. And now comes my problem with it, by doing so everything seems bland, copy paste more than before and longer than wanted.

Probably go down as one of the best arcs assuming act 4 and 5 are kino, which they probably will be. I predict wano will have one of the best climaxes to an arc in the entire series.

The best arc of the best manga.

Pic related is THE moment that killed One Piece. This is inarguable fact. Having the story go on for years on end without the larger collective perspective and dynamics of the SH crew was a dagger into what was the very heart of One Piece.

It has never fully recovered from the loss of momentum this caused, and in fact, has only normalized the mistake with the continual splitting of the crew as the arcs have grown larger and bogged down by characters that are not who we love and care about.

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Marineford would have been so much cooler with the whole crew there.

Yes it would’ve been so cool seeing all the strawhats get thrown to the side because they’re all worthless in that situation

Considering how much Luffy managed to accomplish at Marineford even by himself, not sure that's entirely true.

WHAT IS THE LEFT HIGH BUILDING SUPPOSED TO BE??

I feel like this isn't why the series has gotten more stale over time.
Early on it was the exact same but each arc had something unique to it that mad it interesting and stand out (skypia's romance, water 7/enies lobby and their build up/stakes, etc).
There's toehr reasons why the more recent arcs aren't as good but this isn't one of them

>each arc had something unique to it that mad it interesting and stand out

That's exactly what I mean when I said "All works if you do it in a way that's interesting, but when it's boring like Wano..."

We're saying the same thing.

Luffy managed to accomplish anything because he’s able to make allies off of his own hardheadedness and charisma. None of the SH’s have his personality so they’d all die or jus get washed in the chaos, Luffy literally didn’t win a single encounter against any notable characters in that entire war. He was piggybacking the whole time because of his massive ego

You really think WB and his allies wouldn't have helped Luffy's crew as well? Come on. Like you said, everyone like's Luffy. We'd have gotten a "HELP THE STRAWHATS!" panel from WB and they'd all have gotten carried just like Luffy did.

And sure, Luffy didn't drop any top tier characters, but you can't act like he accomplished nothing. He still managed to free Ace against all odds.

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Like a Deux Ex Machina-utilizing faggot character where somehow his obscure and shitty Paramecia constantly beats Logias and Haki users.

It was pretty nice at around Skypiea against Enel, but not limiting Luffy and introducing a supporting character that was somewhat comparable to him over time has made Luffy the most unlikable protagonist out of the Big 3.

Also moar Hancock titties n ass

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One Piece's entire appeal was there were no training arcs. If the characters needed to get stronger, they would asspull a power up.
Suddenly deciding they need to train breaks the entire logic of One Piece to that point and stretches out the story too much.
From Luffy's progression at the end of Marineford, he was just 1 or 2 levels lower than the strongest in the world. Now he runs from Big Mom in the biggest fuck you OOC moment I've ever seen in a Japanese manga.

>crew gets separated at Saobody
>like Luffy, all fight there way to Marineford via separate avenues
>epic reunion at Marineford
>SH crew fights together, but still lose
>collective shame at their ineffectiveness and being unable to help Luffy given all he's done for each of them
>all agree that it wasn't teamwork that was the problem, but just not being strong enough as individuals
>agree to go back to the islands they were sent to in order to train
>epic willful goodbye/separation

Could absolutely still work.

It will be forgotten. People were more interested in what was happening outside of Wano during the arc.

>at the end of Marineford, he was just 1 or 2 levels lower than the strongest in the world

Lol what? Luffy couldn't even comfortably handle Smoker. One or two levels below the top of the world is like Doffy tier. And that was NOT Luffy at the end of Marineford.

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Except is wrong because Marineford literally showed that Luffy is not some deus ex machina "cannot lose" protagonist. That was the point.

>Luffy couldn't even comfortably handle Smoker.
Luffy runs from Smoker because Smoker's ability is the counter to his, and Smoker's role in the story is to be Luffy's Garp - the man who eventually takes him down. Smoker was even weaker than Crocodile and isn't a credible threat outside of that specific role.
>One or two levels below the top of the world is like Doffy tier.
Straw Hats lost to CP9 then literally asspulled new power ups to beat them 8 hours later. Luffy learned Soru in 5 minutes.
One Piece was never about power level wank, that shit only ever exists to delay the story. If Luffy beats Big Mom then BB, Kaido scale to be a challenge in the next arc. Or characters later are said to be weaker by the time they battle Luffy (Crocodile, Moria).

Sorry user I'm very exhausted

Who was Canonically stronger during Marineford. Whitebeard or Akainu?

>Will it be remembered as the arc that literally killed One Piece
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OP is already dead. It has pretty much already run its course by offering everything it had to offer. Only rabid fanboys will still be surprised by anything at this point.
If this arc doesn't end the decline, the next one will. The quicker the better for everyone involved really.

Luffy runs from Smoker because he can't beat him. Period. If he were stronger, it would have been a non-issue. And Smoker is nowhere near top tier. Luffy would trounce him now and in no way is it Smoker's "role in the story" to eventually take Luffy down. You sound delusional. What point are you even trying to make here?

And don't fucking bring up power levels if you're then gonna write a whole paragraph of bullshit about "HURR DURR well power levels don't even mean anyting in One Piece!"

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Nailed it tbqh.