Well this made no sense whatsoever

well this made no sense whatsoever

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It made perfect sense on every level. Only speed readers and brainlets would disagree.

Rubber bounces back, Mochi gets pounded down into shape.

>Only speed readers and brainlets would disagree.
Is this a meme now or do you guys really think this is how to argue?

I've argued this exact topic so many times it just gets tiring at times.


>Luffy had higher endurance and reflex speed
>more strength and speed in G4
>Fought mostly in base form
Only thing katakuri had over him was his observation which was over come with snakeman, which Luffy intentionally left for the last leg of the fight so as not to repeat the same mistake he made with Doflamingo and have his G4 run out.

The answer in the end is simply that katakuri had lower endurance. Luffy takes more damage in a single fight, even against opponents weaker than him, than katakuri has likely taken in his entire life. This is not a game where two characters have health bars and hit points. There are characters like blackbeard and Luffy who always take a lot of damage in fights but they always get back up, endurance fighters and brawlers, then there are characters like katakuri who pride themselves on not taking any damage and can dish out a lot more then they can take. If you count the number of hits both took it's actually pretty close as well and even if it wasn't, watch real life fights like UFC or something and you'd see plenty of cases where someone that's been getting beat on for most of the fight wins with a few punches. It would only be bad writing if luffy's endurance and katakuri's lack thereof wasn't displayed beforehand. Throughout the fight, you see katakuri getting frustrated and tired and unable to land a clear fatal hit, only time he did land one was due to interference.

There's also the themes and psychology of the fight that play an important role in his 'defeat' and why he chose to fall on his back in the end but that's a whole other essay.

He realized that no matter how much he beats him, Luffy will always get back up, so he just gave up since he started liking the guy (no homo) and doesn't particularly like his mama

t. Oda dicksucker

Luffy is a walking plot device. He's as strong or as weak as the plot demands. He'll struggle against a literally who 1 chapter then get nerfed by someone even weaker the next

It's just shit writing

No, just someone who has no trouble following a shounen. Do you have an actual argument? or do you just call anyone who doesn't blindly hate One Piece an Oda dicksucker?

Luffy always struggles in fights, even against opponents weaker than him. That's just how he brawls. it also depends on how seriously he's taking the fight..

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>P-please r-respond to me i'm so lonely
Shut the fuck up wan pissfaggot

>lower endurance
What exactly does that mean? Katakuri has 20 times the mass of luffy. Imagine a rabbit with more endurance trying to a track you. He wouldn't manage to accomplish shit.
>There are characters like blackbeard and Luffy who always take a lot of damage in fights but they always get back up
Which is the laziest form of writing a find, because it basically means no hit in the protagonist counts.
There is no tension when the mc seems to loose, just so he gets up and punches his enemy with ease, without any external change in the circumstances.

>do you guys really think this is how to argue?

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>P-please j-just give me one (You)
Kill yourself pisstranny

I generally love one piece but this fight actually made no fucking sense
Compare it with Lucci where Luffy does struggles greatly and beats him with one desperate incredibly powerful move when both of them can barely even stand. Katakuri was so far ahead of Luffy in every department possible even by the end of their battle nothing about the finale made any fucking sense.

>What exactly does that mean? Katakuri has 20 times the mass of luffy. Imagine a rabbit with more endurance trying to a track you. He wouldn't manage to accomplish shit.
Mass and size is irrelevant, Luffy can easily beat giants. Katakuri's primary ability is his observation, which has allowed him to dodge all attacks, he's not used to taking hits at all, meanwhile Luffy is a grounded brawler.
>Which is the laziest form of writing a find, because it basically means no hit in the protagonist counts.
Just because he has higher endurance than the likes of katakuri doesn't mean he doesn't take any damage or can't lose. You would have a point if there weren't enemies like blackbeard as well who also have high endurance and will like Luffy.

Katakuri was on his last leg already when snakeman came out.

Agree. The author should have sticked with Luffy punching his opponents really hard to KO them like against Lucci, at least it makes it more plausible.

For fuck sakes, just look at the fucking archives, we talked to fucking death about this.
If you really want to talk about this unironically go to reddit, they'll throw paragraphs at you on why luffy won

not true. katakuri was easily dodging and countering snakeman

>Easily
He was wheezing every time he dodged.

>What exactly does that mean? Katakuri has 20 times the mass of luffy. Imagine a rabbit with more endurance trying to a track you. He wouldn't manage to accomplish shit.
He's bigger so he uses more energy, but Luffy is smaller so he uses less energy. This is why Luffy won. Not to mention that his size doesn't really matter since he's weaker than Luffy.
>Which is the laziest form of writing a find, because it basically means no hit in the protagonist counts.
There is no tension when the mc seems to loose, just so he gets up and punches his enemy with ease, without any external change in the circumstances
Luffy is one of the most durable fighters in the series so this makes sense.

this whole snakeman shit made no sense too

speed shouldn't matter against katakuri

Reddit defends every single plot inconsistency or asspull.
Hell, they even defend Pell by saying be awakened his devil fruit and got away in time. This is JoJo tier of literally making up headcanon.

also look closesly at katakuri's self inflicted wound. it's the almost the size of Luffy's entire body, luffy got hit with the same attack by the same weapon but for some reason the wound scaled to Luffy's body

Everyone Luffy defeats is meaningless until he fights this fucker.

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why? he was just following orders. imagine if Zoro wanted to avenge Yasu by killing those random goons with guns instead of Orochi.

>Katakuri has 20 times the mass of luffy.
Yes, thus he uses more energy.
> Imagine a rabbit with more endurance trying to a track you. He wouldn't manage to accomplish shit.
Retard that you are, you failed to realize this scenario can be reversed. A mammoth would have no hope of outrunning a primitive human indefinitely. And unfortunately for you, this one was a very real occurrence
But that's neither here nor there, since these two are both human

Uh oh, the warm pissdrinkers yet again admit to being from reddit. Go back.

Does it really matter? He's just going to haki to win anyway. Nobody dies in One Piece anyway.

Dumbasses, Luffy only won because Katakuri let him. The latter was literally training the former to beat his mother because he's too much of a pussy to go against what she says.

I still think Oda is a coward for not letting him die after White Beard got him.

>nobody dies
>posted a character responsible for an onscreen death
wut

how the fuck do people not understand themes in a shounen series , they are literally spelled out for you most of the time in stories aimed at teenes

thi fight has nothing to do with endurance,power levels and that shounen crap people always talk about (and this goes for basically 100% of shouen fights or any story that has conflict), when did people start having this autistic obsession with "muh logic" , do pople find that shit to be as interesting as a good character arc or strong thmatic value of arcs?

i really don't understand

>Mass and size is irrelevant
So why does gear 3 increases Luffys strength then?

You have a panel in the Luffy vs Doflamingo fight dedicated to doflamingo realizing that his haki embedded kick can't counter G4. You're supposed to reailze (as doflamingo did) that Luffy breaks haki battle mechanics thanks to his devilfruit. Haki lets you damage devilfruit users but does NOT nullify the devilfruit. In gear 4 Luffy puts an air cushon arround every muscle on his body. In base form Doflamingo can damage luffy with haki. In gear 4 luffy still has his air cushon even if you use haki.

People still don't get that Luffy takes way less damage than normal in G4. You can see that in Katakuri fight when Luffy takes knee spikes to the face. And you can clearly see its Odas intention by looking at pick realated.

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>i can't understand a story aimed towards kids