there is a notion that one piece appeals more toward moral and emotion while hxh appeals more toward logic and rationality. there are many instances within the series that supports this notion as such.
for example, every one piece fight outcome is decided upon spirit, courage, and raw power of the fighters. conversely, hxh always tried to subvert this formula, rather than only mindless fight, tactics and realism always play a part in the aspect of their fights.
it goes to show that the very purpose of one piece fight is to convey the emotion of the character. while hxh, in addition of that, tried to maintain the rationality of the character as well.
and that's just one example. in short, oda is more emotionally driven while togashi is more rationally driven
i don't quite understand why the argument here is "more logical = automatically good". yes hxh is more rational but the emotion of the characters is a very inherent and enjoyable thing, both styles of fight can co-exist without it being a dick measuring contest
apples to pears in this case, they are two marginally different shows with marginally different themes, audiences, etc.
Dylan Anderson
It's not just more logical, it's more real in general. Characters are more real, interactions are more real, and the general depiction of real life mechanics is more real. Strategizing is just one aspect of this appeal to realism because, in real life, the stronger is almost always the better strategist, and almost never the guy who punches harder. I love one piece and I think it has great worldbuilding, entertaining characters, and a nice story. But you must admit that in terms of realism, it does not go beyond the standards of the usual shounen: characters are generally flat and defined by quirks, with little to no development, interactions are mostly predictable, and as Oda himself declared, winning is due mostly to "convinction". I am okay with having these things in a shounen, and I love the explorative aspect of One Piece. It is, however, a very simple story, with a very simple MC, and stays within the boundaries of shounen mangas. It executes very well whatever it does, but it does not innovate on the medium. In hxh instead you meet things that you rarely see in a shounen, starting from deep characters, to real life interactions, to actual defeats and lossess. I always think about how Togashi depicts little things, like the auction or the buying of phones in the Phantom Troupe saga, is what makes hxh better than other shounen. It's not just strategies/rationalization: it is that it depicts better how the world is, even though it is a work of fiction.
Luke Long
I do agree with you on that, however some of One Piece's themes can be very dark when they want to be as well; from child slavery in Arlong Park, to war that killed thousands and thousand in Alabasta. I do love both series, though. The way that Oda can make such an unconventional and fantasy-like setting, and still deal with these topics with emotional richness. One Piece's governmental systems can actually be on-par with the tones and themes of the much darker HxH. I will say that Oda is much more inconsistent with these things; HxH has been grounded in relative darkness from the start. I get what you mean for sure, though.
Lucas Brooks
The strong point of Hunter x Hunter isn't that it has rationality as opposed to emotion. It's that Hunter x Hunter has more emotional depth than any other shonen AND rationality on top of that.
If you like either one at any point, you have no brain and no taste.
Hudson Wright
Which book?
Cameron Bell
One Piece has a deeper lore, a better dark continent, better political theater, and higher level writing than HxH in the sense that it utilizes allegory, metaphor, irony (including dramatic), and in general creates stronger emotional connection to its characters and even inanimate objects. Hunter is written by a guy that knows he can appeal to people who ‘want’ to be smart and who constantly have to reinforce the idea that they are smart to themselves. Togashi’s manga is much easier to comprehend than the story of One Piece, except on the shallowest possible read. Togashi states that he writes to teach young children how to confront terrifying situations. His story has no more depth than just that, the rest is fanservice for retards. Togashi will namedrop Kant or other philosophers and act as though k12 required curriculum is some separator of the intelligent from the dumb, and then tell everything and show very little through his writing, which is reminiscent of elementary school textbooks and the exact definition of shit writing.
Oda on the other hand actually cares, is actually a good writer, and who’s work requires more intelligence to comprehend all the hidden meaning, hidden reference and foreshadowing; with deftly woven plot and Tolkien built world. One Piece is written brilliantly in that a child’s interpretation is sufficient, but each reread reveals a treasure of new understanding. Hunter is written in a mediocre way and relies on extreme violence and gore to stay relevant. Read the manga. This page is representative of the reddit HxH fags who think that being able to read this is some kind of high feat of intelligence in and of itself, which really shows how retarded hunterfags are.
>Characters are more real, interactions are more real No, they aren't. Characters in HxH act like autists, they're more machines than people. People aren't Logical. HxH characters feel 'soulless' for lack of a better term
Leo Sanders
Mein Kampf
Samuel Diaz
I didn't read any of that I want to jerk off to Nami's fat tits
Nicholas Phillips
For some reason people mistake characters acting illogical with bad character writing. If every action the character takes makes logical sense to them, it's considered good writing. When really it should be the opposite.
Jackson Gomez
HxH is more "real" than One Piece which borders on cartoonlike at times, but that's not saying much. On a scale that involves an actual range of works, HxH doesn't feel real, if anything it feels super constructed, that goes for the flat unemotive characters and the fights which sacrifice natural flow and emotional impact for Togashi's ambition to make a "smart" work.
I don't think character in hxh are necessarily logical. Leorio, for instance, or Uborghin, Oda or Hisoka don't act logically at all. But the way they ara characterized is realistic. When was the last time you saw in a shounen an actual normal person who wants to become a doctor, like Leorio? Or Hisoka, for instance: his kind of character has been seen a lot in shounen (effeminate crazy killer), but Togashi added element to reality of him, like sexual perversion and similar. Or take Killua, slowly recognizing that he's not just an assassin, and that he can actually be a friend to Gon. You simply don't have that emotional depth in One Piece. It's not about the dark themes, or excessive rationality. It's about the fact that the people you meet in your everyday life are way more likely to look and act like hxh characters, with multiple motivations, complex feelings, and sometimes just prosaic aims. In life there are both very driven people, like Kurapika, and normal people with a good heart, like Leorio. It's nice to seem them all depicted in a manga. But I have never met people screaming that their dream is to become this or that at every occasion, or guys whose only traits are drinking and getting lost, or going after women, and so on and so forth. Usopp used to be the character I liked the most pre-time skip, because he had to overcome his fear every time he was fightning, and I think his contrasts with Luffy in water seven are the peak of character development in One Piece. And again, I like One Piece, and I think it's well written for a shounen. I just believe hxh pushes the boundaries of what people usually do with that genre further.
Ayden Ross
I think the complexity in One Piece is underrated, One Piece complexity is not on the level of plot like in HxH, it's on the level of worldbuilding/lore, visible if you analyse the whole manga in the macro scale. the world is full of parallel as well as historical action and events, large part of the plot is about the exploration and learning it's secret history which makes the plot and characts tightly connected to the world they live in.
That's why I love both, two different flavors of masterful shonen writing.
I'll never understand why he included the soccer leagues inbetween namedropping famous real life philosophers, scientists, and artists. The others kinda make sense, if he's trying to make Tse look smart without actually putting in any effort, but soccer? Just feels so jarring seeing a "smart" character randomly talk about stuff that the most braindead normies I've met can't shut up about. Even the fashion he complains about is more cultured than the biggest mainstream sport.
Cooper Sullivan
One Piece may have deeper lore, but hxh is just better at depicting how real life is. How auction works, passing exams, the adult world being substantially anarchic and reckless, state politics in NGL, etc. Yorknew city being modelled after Paris and Barcellona. There is so much stuff he draws directly from real life and manipulate into new material... This is how you get the feeling of the world being real, not the "logical" planning. You don't feel smart reading hxh, you feel like you are looking at aspects of the real world.
One Piece also does this to an extent, but metaphor and allegory are the way things are teached to children. Allegories put complexity into the frame of an image that is simple to understand. Of course it has some didactic value (as have fairtales) but it sacrifices depiction of how life actually is. This is why, when you grow up, you learn more from novels than from fairytales: novels tend to depict real life better. This does not mean that fairytales are useless, or that you can't learn from them as an adult. But they surely are less complex than novels.
The point is: allegory and metaphor are not needed to make a good work. Good imitation of how reality looks like is a much better criteria to judge the level of a work of fiction. It may seem easier, but it is actually way more difficult, and it requires way more skill, to select which aspect of life are worth representing or not, than it is to squeeze the complexity of life inside an allegory.
Gabriel James
>there is a notion that one piece appeals more toward moral and emotion while hxh appeals more toward logic and rationality. Wrong. HxH is superior in both. One Piece has better comedy overall that's it.
Liam Thompson
HxH isn't anywhere close in terms of emotional resonance. One Piece manages to make me feel more for a ship then HxH did for anything, even in its most serious arcs. I can barely think of any moment that has made me tear up in HxH.
Anthony Davis
They're not mutually exclusive. Both of them have moments of emotion and Logic. One Piece is much better at emotional resonance since no moment in HxH compares to something like Brooks backstory for example. HxH strength leans more toward the logical aspect.
Oliver Gonzalez
idk hunter hunter made me cry for an octopus with a machine gun
Josiah Torres
>reading shonen as an adult Either way you have no brain.
i mean i'm not a shonentard but between Hiatus x Hiatus with less and less quality art and 1 chapter every 2 years until the author dies and One Piece with steady releases but unreal art, the choice is rather easy.
This. The only way Oda can make his pre-high school readers feel anything is by showing some generic tearjerking flashbacks and drawing panels with people being exaggeratedly and cartoonishly emotional
