Day 3 and I am still butthurt about the ending
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>"we can do the impossible"
>"break the unbreakable"
>"don't underestimate the spirit of the human race!"
>"Oh except this one thing yeah that's really impossible gotta abide by the rules here yup otherwise it's sure guaranteed spiral armageddon for us no other way allowed"
> Day
Try year
It's a story about a group of heroes literally beating the tiniest of odds through pure willpower and sheer determination but who then decide to cave in at the end.
Plus bonus hobo for some reason.
You missed the point entirely. The point is he could do it but doesn't want to, not that he has rules binding him. You retard.
Why wouldn't he want to save an innocent life dying of spiral cancer?
It hardly makes sense.
it's do the impossible for a good reason, not just overthrowing authority and the natural order because you want to. Did you forget the part where he promised to keep the universe safe after the fight with the Anti-Spiral?
>Why wouldn't he want to save an innocent life dying of spiral cancer?
He says it explicitly. The whole schtick of the drill is the double helix, the future and the past and the dreams of those yet to be born. To bring back the dead just gets in the way of those yet to be. It makes thematic sense in the context of the show, even if it makes Niafags butthurt.
Still the best show out dey
The argument was that spiral power shouldn't be used to bring back the dead, but Nia wasn't dead she was afflicted by a genetic condition. It's like saying doctors shouldn't save people because it goes against the natural order. It's retarded.
Grow up already
And apparently the godlike power of Spiral energy can't just undo it's own black hole bullshit.
Just accept the SRW T version of this and deny the existence of the original.
>natural order
How is preventing death by dissolution for a girl who got fucked over by spiral powers "natural order"?
>To bring back the dead just gets in the way of those yet to be.
The fuck are you even talking about here?
She wasn't dead.
We're not talking of resurrecting someone like Kittan who died of a natural death fighting for everyone, we're talking of literally going Spiral Doctor to cure spiral cancer and be done with it. Nia was living and growing fine until the antispiral intervened.
It's like you gobbled the show's explanation and keep parroting it without applying a shred of critical thinking.
She was an Anti-Spiral creation from her very birth and was therefore doomed. The whole point is that Simon had finally learned moderation. He would no longer go full despotic retard like the Spiral King or Anti-Spiral nor Kamina tier just break shit until things work out. It was the final culmination of his character arc. That people get salty over him becoming a wandering hermit is just proof Zig Forums doesn't get what is a pretty simple show in thematic terms.
>He would no longer go full despotic retard like
So... he would no longer go the way that allowed humanity to finally be free and defeat the Antispirals.
Sounds like a great idea? Totally not running contrary to the entire motif of the story so far.
Did you entirely forget this bad boy? Moderation, user. Something which even Rossiu wasn't able to get.
>She was an Anti-Spiral creation from her very birth and was therefore doomed.
Doesn't matter in the scope of what we're talking about, does it?
If she was created by spiral powers she could've been saved by spiral powers without it having anytihng to do with "natural order".
Saving Nia wouldn't have been the same as resurrecting people from death.
It quite literally makes no sense that they did nothing to help her.
Also lol at the whole "no longer he would go full kamina tier".
Dude, that's how they achieved EVERYTHING GOOD in the story. By not bowing and cowering on the ground because that was "too far".
It can't undo it, but it can big bang and start the universe anew.
I didn't forget it. But if the whole theme is "DO THE IMPOSSIBLE" it should've been possible for them to both save Nia and prevent the Spiral Nemesis. The fact that they conceded defeat to this threat and let Nia die runs contrary to the whole "break the unbreakable" spirit the team had going.
They wimped out in the end.
>It quite literally makes no sense that they did nothing to help her.
It makes perfect sense in the context of the story. It just annoys those that are keen to see the story as a simple dichotomy between goodness and authority.
>Dude, that's how they achieved EVERYTHING GOOD in the story.
Yes, but it was made explicitly clear that Simon knew the Anti-Spiral was right, just like Lordgenome knew.
>They wimped out in the end.
Absolutely pleb tier opinion from people that think that the message of the show is just
>anarchy is good
>keep going and never stop
>fuck everything up even the universe destroying all those you love
>restraint is bad
No. Simon is a good character because he finally goes between the two extremes. He doesn't give in to despair and he doesn't just keep fighting even when it will lead to the death of everyone he loves. Did you forget the scene where Kamina nearly dies in episode 4(?) except Simon has to literally drag him away from the fight to save his life - that there is eventually a point where you cannot just keep fighting. Where you have to use your brain instead of ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH.
>It makes perfect sense in the context of the story.
You've already been explained why it doesn't, not even in the context of the story. Address that instead of pretending it didn't happen.
>Address that instead of pretending it didn't happen.
What are you talking about? Read the rest of my post, faggot.
>He doesn't give in to despair and he doesn't just keep fighting even when it will lead to the death of everyone he loves.
This is gobbling up the antispiral's narrative completely.
Don't give in to despair, keep fighting, and prevent the death of everyone you love as well. That's what the real SImon would've done... breaking the unbreakable and doing the impossible.
The fact that in the end they go
>"yeah this isn't possible, this is actually unbreakable, we give up"
is just meh. Without even counting Nia who was an exception that could've easily been saved without any risk of armageddon. That was just nonsensical. Just do it once for an extremely special case, and then forget about using spiral powers. But they didn't.
Truly countering its own motto there.
Because breaking a tearjerker and a fluffy don't fight death morality will ruin some metacauses.
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Based Branpresto fixing this bullshit ending.
>The point is he could do it but doesn't want to, not that he has rules binding him
What about the "Simon is not god" part?
>This is gobbling up the antispiral's narrative completely.
You're making the assumption that the Anti-Spiral is lying. Whether or not the Spiral Nemesis is real or not is academic.
>That's what the real SImon would've done... breaking the unbreakable and doing the impossible.
That's what pre-actualisation Simon would have done, when he's just trying to be Kamina. The war with the Anti-Spiral changes him again and it is shown that he believes the Spiral Nemesis is a real threat in the scene where they're fighting the battleships.
>>"yeah this isn't possible, this is actually unbreakable, we give up"
You're making the classic mistake of confusing restraint from incapability. Simon is perfectly capable of doing it, but is actively choosing not to. It's what the ancient Greeks would have considered sophrosyne, as opposed to hubris.
>Just do it once for an extremely special case, and then forget about using spiral powers. But they didn't.
Simon wasn't the young kid he had been. That is entirely the point. Adulthood changes your way of looking at the world around you.
>What about the "Simon is not god" part?
It just means that it would not be legitimate for Simon to do it, not that Simon literally is incapable of doing it. By the end of the show Simon can literally do absolutely anything. He is not limited in the things he is capable of doing. The point is that he /can/, but he chooses not to. In that context, while he has no right to, 'God' would.
Spiral power is what ultimately leads to the destruction of the universe. Bringing her back would just be one step in the staircase leading towards that. "Don't use spiral power, oh except let's make an exception right here" is exactly the thing that'll destroy the universe.
>can save the girl he loves
>doesn't do it
Sounds like a pretty bad person.
rossiu came out good and that's all that matters.
>i'll risk destroying everything for muh love
You're a shortsighted fool.
So he is basically Kyubey?
>Not understanding one of the most basic super robot shows
fucking idiots
t. didn't understand an anime for teens
Oh for the love of fuck dude, learn to read a post before doing stuff like this.
You got every single point wrong or something.
Faulty logic.
Nia was an exception and unique being from the start. It wouldn't have been abuse of spiral power, just remedying something someone else did.
She died only for the sake of dying, nothing about the plot makes that necessary.
Gainax and Trigger can't write a satisfying ending to save their lives.
Yes.
If the message is shit, calling it shit does not mean not understanding it.
Evangalion's ending was shit too.