What constitutes an "asspull" in a battle series? What makes some more acceptable than others...

What constitutes an "asspull" in a battle series? What makes some more acceptable than others? I always think about Gash Bell, which has spells literally powered by "heart power" which you can run out of, and many characters unlock new abilities in a pinch, yet it never feels like it robs the conflict of tension and it never gets annoying/exhaustive.

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Asspull = whatever I didn't read the explanation for as I flipped through the manga at the rate of a page per second.

An asspull is something that you had no reason to expect, because it lacks the foreshadowing that it should have gotten.
In an action series where people regularly get power-ups you have good reason to expect that there will be more power-ups.
If the tension of the series relies on the established "fact" that the protagonist cannot catch up to the opponent, and then he suddenly catches up via power-up anyway, THAT's an asspull.

Gash Bell is a bit special. The spells are shaped by what they want and they unlock them when they experience some kind of growth. This makes sense since the tournament is supposed to shape them into better rulers.

An asspull is when something is literally pulled out of one's ass as in the author got to the problem he couldn't solve and just had to come up with a solution out of nowhere to move the story forward. Stuff the author has planned beforehand like a mechanism to excuse power-ups that readers are aware of is not an asspull, it's some other less offensive trope.

Sasuke with no chakra left pulled a giant snake out of his ass to hide from the nuke.

That's a plothole. It's similar, but not the same.

See "Deus Ex Machina"

I always thought that an ass pull was like
>Author starts to write the fight
>In the middle after the chapters are release, he remembers that there's no logical/obvious way for the mc win that fight
>Mc wins because.. reasons/friendship power, move along

I really Don't like the kata/Luffy outcome, I think that Luffy should had lose that fight, but I don't think that was an asspull.

The hisoka oh my rubber nen was kind of a stretch, but was not an ass pull

Aizen vs super strawberry It was kinda of an asspull

Something that solves an unsolvable situation but it wasn't foreshadowed and it goes against the work's internal logic and/or continuity.

Star Platinum's timestop powers or Andromeda Shun's tornado-like techniqueare a couple examples.

But I can't think of many people who got genuinely upset at Star Platinum having timestop. Some asspulls always seem easier to digest than others.

Sometimes you just feel cheated because the solution was just outside of the frame of the narrative and should have been visible to everybody. So you feel cheated because nobody told you about the elephant in the room even though the narrative is the only way for you to experience the story.

But asspulls can make sense retroactively. You might still feel tricked, but the sudden emergence of the solution makes sense. Jotaro was inexperienced with his stand and the stand was a mirror of Dio's one. The justification makes sense.

When something that wasn’t explicitly stated occurs in a manga I don’t like.

In Star Platinum case, there are enough elements for the reader to make an explanation ex-post(it really needed just a tiny bit more of foreshadowing before the final fight), plus the fight against The World is really good, people tend to be more forgiving if the narrative is bended a bit for a better result

What do you call something that wasn't explicitly stated in a manga that you do like?

Foreshadowing, pottery, or KINO usually.

I definitely felt it was kinda anti-climactic when I first read it. They're hyping up Dio as this unstoppable force that Jotaro can only survive through petty tricks, so you wonder what he could possibly do to turn the tables. What weakness do Dio's powers have that the main character can exploit to turn the tables on him? The answer was nothing, he just happened to have the right ability to hard counter him.

A guy runs from an ayy lmao
The ayy lmao stands in front of him
The guy runs the fastest he can until he's against the wall
The ayy lmao approaches
The guy pulls an antimatter gun and kills the ayy lmao.

Q:Why didn't the guy kill the ayy lmao before?
A:The author wrote himself to a corner
Q:where did the guy get the antimatter gun?
A: He pulled it from is ass, an asspull!

Asspull is basically an action that makes no sense back in context and appears out of extreme convenience.

an asspull is whenever the reader has a stick up his ass

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that's such a strict definition of asspull that I can't think of any that bad

it would probably show up to get some side character the author doesn't care much about from A to B rather than something an important character does

To be honest I think the way most people use "asspull" refers to something that robs the conflict of tension, not something that comes out of nowhere. Even if it was foreshadowed, if it solves things too easily or undermines the narrative then it sucks.

>then it sucks.
Not the point.

Nowadays people just call every development an asspull because
>speedread
they read manga at speed of light and skip all foreshadowing
>people are just that dumb
some people are too dumb to understand kids cartoon and want the author to tell them everything.
>shitposting
calling something is an asspull is one of the easiest way to get some (you)s. people don't really read that series. they just want to shit on it especially anything that's popular.
weekly battle shonen tends to have more asspull or borderline asspull because authors don't have enough time to actually think things through.

you're feeling doesn't make something an asspull tho.

Jotaro having the same stand as DIO and being able to stop time lol

>What constitutes an "asspull" in a battle series?
Anything I don't like

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the whole fairy tail series

Goku using hakai

This

Was it foreshadowed? Its not an asspull
Was it not foreshadowed? Its an asspull

Its so fucking easy

Read fairytail and you will know