>understands that souls exist
>communicates with disembodied souls all the time
>personally met with God
>"Alchemists are the closest thing to God there is. Faith is for stupid people; it's all science bro."
Fucking hate this fedora-tipping cocksucker.
He literally has no excuse not to take the existentialismpill
I don't think the god in fma is the same kind of thing that a religious person would worship and the term god was more of a placeholder than anything else.
Then again it's been almost a decade since I watched it so I don't remember the exact details.
You an idiot who has no idea about scientific method. He don't believe that God exists. He knows that God exists. It can be proven by scientific method.
Based
He didn't understand what he encountered until he talked it over with Izumi
And even then, the truth is less a bearded man in the clouds who casts judgement on people and more a personification of the immutable laws of the universe
Reminds me of discworld, where the character of Rincewind despite knowing for an absolute fact that gods exist he considers himself an atheist because he doesn't believe in them.
What he met doesn't give a damn about being worshiped. It doesn't care what you call it, or what you think of it. At the very least it isn't like the god those people were worshiping. So likewise he wouldn't be any more inclined to believe in their god. If he met a religious group that worshiped that being, and he recognized their descriptions of it, he likely wouldn't be so inclined to dismiss them. However he likely wouldn't care about worshiping it either.
We had this thread already just the other week, god.
What this user said: No, you're right. I rewatched 03 recently and am rereading the manga and that's basically what Ed meant. He doesn't see "God" as this being who controls things up above, rather that it just exists as laws (which is basically what Truth is). He's a bit smug in this scene about it too so a lot of people on Zig Forums seem to get their knickers in a twist over it, but it's literally the first chapter and he hasn't gone through character development yet.
to pray is to accept defeat
>"personally met with God"
what says that what he met was god?
it's more based to not lose his shit over the unknown, and rather try to describe it in a chad scientific way.
We have these "wtf ed's an atheist????" threads at least once a week. Best to just hope a good thread comes out of it.
Why do we have this thread every other day? It's because he's 14 and doing it out of spite you moron.
EVERY
FUCKING
DAY
How many times are you going to make this thread?
FMA has some narrative problems but something I appreciate is the amount of effort Arakawa went to depicting alchemy, at least to the extent where it can still be the framework for the magic in a battle shonen. it kind of makes me wish there was an anime that takes place around 1st-3rd century where a bunch of new religious movements were being founded and everyone was trying to become as gods and shit
>personally met with God
t. didn't understand what Truth actually was
>"Alchemists are the closest thing to God there is. Faith is for stupid people; it's all science bro."
I haven't watched FMA but if the author thinks theology isn't scientific and the concept of God is inherently religious then he's retarded.
The dumbest thing Zig Forums ever did was becoming christian out of nothing more than contrarianism.
granted, discussing (christian) theology is like discussing fate lore: what is canon, how does everything even work, why do stories from different people are inconsistent
Any form of theology that implies humans have the power to go against God's will is inherently political and unscientific.
Natural theology, final cause of the universe and predeterminism are scientific concepts however.
Theology isn't scientific because it's incompatible with scientific method. It might propose theories on nature of G/god/s and the world, but it can neither prove nor disprove them.
if you refer to general concepts and rules of existence as "god" then sure
but even scientfic method has axioms and makes assumptions, who is to say that we cannot rewrite laws of reality?
Jesus fags are really triggered by people that question faith
By God i mean the designer of the universe. The existence of a designer can be proved if we can prove the universe to be a design.
Another retard who doesn't know what scientific method is. Google it at least.
that's a pretty vague requitement
monkeys and typewriters: a random sequence of bits may be interpreted as an aesthetically pleasing image, even though it was created randomly - just because universe exists in some certain way doesn't mean it was designed
there might be something beyond our existence, but that would most certainly be beyond our understanding, so there's no reason to argue if universe is real or simulation or whatever
>just because universe exists in some certain way doesn't mean it was designed
True, however if we can observe things like bootstrap paradoxes that have no reason to be there then we could conclude that they've intentionally been put here by something that wanted to influence the causal system to have it lead somewhere in particular
but is it a paradox if it exists in reality and not just in our minds?
it can be an exception to the rule; or it can be a facet of the law that wasn't fully explored yet
Is there a afterlife in the FMA-verse?
at least it's not another 2003 vs Brotherhood thread (thus far)
Atheist Ed threads have a bigger chance of being comfy
Probably not since you'd probably be able to grab someone's soul from the other side if there were one.
>if we can prove the universe to be a design
And how do you prove that even though we know that extremely complex and unnatural looking pattern can come to exist by random chance?
As someone who believes in God (not the one of abrahamic theology) I do not see a reason to prove the existence of God. It is just that: Belief. Hope. For some, faith. I am not 100% certain God exists. I do not know for certain whether He is good or evil, moral or indifferent or something else all together, if there's a grand plan or even simply meaning in our life. Maybe even God asks Himself the same questions. I don't exactly have faith, but I do hope.
>Is there a afterlife in the FMA-verse?
I don't think so. Souls are energy in FMA. They can be moved and consumed, there is a quantifiable (if huge) number of X joules of energy in a human soul and once that's gone the soul is spent as well. After natural death it probably returns to the Earth and Universe, its energy and essence being broken down and cycled into the cosmic food chain.
Bootstrap paradox is just a name, call it however you want. It's basically things that are their own cause. The presence of such instances would be unpredictable even to Laplace's demon, while they can't exist without determinism, they somewhat contradict it.
Now obviously it's a theorical concept: for us to observe a bootstrap paradox, retroactive causality ("time travel") would have to be possible, which obviously was never found to be the case. But if we did run into a bootstrap paradox, then would come the question of why it is there and why it's like this and not any other way. For example, if someone wrote "I am here" on a piece of paper because someone from the future told him that's what was written there in the future, and it ends up being the reason why it was in the first place, then why are those words specifically written over anything else?
>And how do you prove that even though we know that extremely complex and unnatural looking pattern can come to exist by random chance?
For now we can't. Maybe someday we will, though.
Ed is not atheist, he is pohuist
>number of X joules
Would you say that you have a set life span in the fma verse then? That'd explain how killing someone prematurely could make a philosophers stone since you're essentially stealing the remainder of their life. Though that'd get messy with Ed healing himself since you'd assume being impaled was his pre-determend death but he uses years off the end of his life to heal himself which then opens a whole can of worms of if him getting impaled was predestined surely those years would have always been off the end of his life span so how could he take them off to heal himself?
Ed did say that doing that would probably shorten his lifespan, didn't he? The most basic Philosophers Stone, as used by Kimbly, is made from 10 people and it can be used for a LONG time before it runs out of energy.
if we had time travel, we would experiment with how causality REALLY worked: timelines, loops, energy "borrowed" from different time etc; and then we would know
i'm arguing for the sake of arguing though, my reasoning is simply "we'll cross that bridge when we get there" and chances are we won't get there
He is literally Zig Forums the character.
Because in that world alchemy is a science that can be researched and understood in mathematical principles and not a faith?