I recently caught up with Black Clover and I must admit the mangaka gets things that Oda tends to forget lately right. First of all, the mangaka managed to flesh out the Black Bulls as well as many other magic knights in a timely manner. Moreover, they always get their share of spotlight, each of them develops and grows with each arc, and some members help out in the fights against arc villains. Last but not least, none of the arcs overstayed its welcome, arcs are always fun and to the point.
All of which reminds me of early One Piece, where the Strawhat crew had nice interactions with allies and enemies, and members had a role to play each arc. Arcs were also brief in early One Piece and the plot progressed moderately each chapter.
Oda should relearn a thing or two from Yuki Tabata.
Black Clover succeeds where One Piece fails
Black Clover only got 24 volumes, at this time straw hats still had cool interactions, and that was at the end of Alabasta were everyoen got a nice fight.
That is the point user. Oda really dropped the ball on the crew and treats them like they were never a reason for a lot of people to get drawn to the manga.
The Black Bulls are the most comparable to the Strawhat crew among manga I have recently read. It is also very impressive how the mangaka is capable of showing them off very well even though there are 14 known members now while modern Oda is struggling to juggle up the focus between 10 crew members.
It is like Oda forgot how to write and utilize them.
If BC ever gets to the level of success of OP it will probably end up just as bad. Its pretty obvious OP is getting deliberately stalled with the endless stream of literal whos, flashbacks and overall terrible pace to let the anime keep running in parallel with it.
In OP the crew's development is front loaded. Oda gave each character their own intro arc where they end up joining in the end, and when the timeskip got close they split and got their own training arcs.
Jinbei is probably the companion with the most pre-joining development out of the Straw Hat crew, and that's why his inclusion was so effective recently.
>and members had a role to play each arc
Oda often downright splits the crew multiple times in teams exactly to take focus away from Luffy.
I can't tell if you're trolling or not. I don't feel a thing for any of the characters in BC except for Noelle, Finral, and Yami. Though I do agree that a lot of the BB have gotten some spot light.
Usopp's development did not stop at Syrup Village and Chopper's development did not stop at Drum Island, all crew members were developing steadily until they got separated by Kuma. But the development for each moves at snail pace ever since they reunited, and most of the development is geared more to the battle aspect rather than the personality and character relations.
Let's be real here, nobody started following One Piece to see epic alliances taking down evil pirate emperors or to see a fleet taking down the government, people followed One Piece because they liked Luffy and his crew, and I bet everyone has a favorite character among the Strawhat crew, yet Oda is dismissing them currently and only focuses on tertiary characters. Zoro has barely any development in the land of samurai, which means Oda has officially lost it.
I honestly don't see how he can even keep developing them though. Sanji's family arc was only possible because his past was luckily left open. Robin and Jinbe are the only ones that i could see being somewhat relevant in the future.
>But the development for each moves at snail pace ever since they reunited
There wasn't much to develop save for Sanji and Jinbei, the former who being related to Germa 66 who are in the New World.
>yet Oda is dismissing them currently and only focuses on tertiary characters.
Because the plot has been sidelined for way too long, so now he's cramming everything in what little new world arcs he has left.
The Revolutionary Army assault on Mariejoie being offscreened is another symptom of this.
>nobody started following One Piece to see epic alliances taking down evil pirate emperors
But that's an opportunity, Blackbeard and other strong pirates want the One Piece as well, so you have each Strawhat member commanding one of Luffy's fleet, similar to the WB pirates. That's a good way to put them on the frontline
It's sad that you can't even say that you liked t the series better when it was more crew focused before all the epic alliance shit without getting called a shitposter.
Wanpissbros...
Cloverfags are making fun of us now...
That's one of the unfortunate things from OP. In telling a story of such massive scale, he needs to carefully manage which characters get more screen time than others. He tries to make every character visible on each chapter doing something but if he focused on each character now that everything is so large Oda would be 400 years old by the time the manga finished.
I believe One Piece simply got too big for its own good. At least for me. But the sunken cost fallacy won't let me drop it after more a more than a decade of weekly following.
The silver lining is there is no more crew member joining + we got a hint at endgame + Wano has about 12 chapters left at best.
I know the endgame will have a fuckload of characters involved and it be a total mess but I hope we get a more focused arc between it and Wano, to breathe.
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> managed to flesh out the Black Bulls as well as many other magic knights in a timely manner.
Is this a joke the Black Bulls are one dimensional as hell. The Strawhats have all been fleshed out way better than the Black Bulls. BCfags are delusional
because nu-straw hats aren't one dimensional as hell? OPfags are delusional
>falling for easy bait
Pathetic brainlets
Yes Chopper is one of the most complex characters I have seen in Manga. So is Franky and Ussop. Truly the pinnacle of character development.
Technically, there's still Nami. She had a backstory already but just like Sanji, her full background story is still a bit empty.
I thought Zoro would be the same and we'd find out he had some tie to Wano but that didn't happen
One thing that I can praise about Black Clover is the fact that there's a "cowardly trio" like OP by default of there being weaker members, but none of them are actually cowards. Gray, Gordon, and Gauche are willing to even take on the main villains of an arc, and don't revert back to their own comic relief habits after spouting that they're not the same after two years of training. Those characters still shined in some parts of Dressrosa and for large chunks of Whole Cake Island though
The only one dimensional BB was Gray and that wa suntil recently.
Wanpissbros... not like this... how can the narruto rip off be better than us?
This is true. The stawhats are a three man team, monster trio with the occasional Usopp and Nami. However as a story, OP shits on BC
This shouldn't even be a comparision, One Piece is a monster of a story with nearly 1000 chapters. BC's plot is a baby by comparision despite being 5 years old
I disagree.
Compare it to Naruto or DB instead. BC barely has a plot anymore and is just Dragon Ball with magic.
Retards like you who say shit like this probably aren't even reading the manga.
>Oda really dropped the ball on the crew and treats them like they were never a reason for a lot of people to get drawn to the manga
Cause they weren't. The draw was always the worldbuilding and adventure.
Pissbros...