Tezuka

Favorite tezuka works?

overall thoughs on him as a mangaka?

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I like his hat.

could never stand anything he did
being an innovator does not inherently make your work enjoyable
for me it's Matsumoto Reiji

A lot of his longer works ended pretty weird; for me he worked best as a short story guy.

My favorite of his would be a toss-up between Phoenix and Black Jack.

I never read any of his works except for the first chapter of astroboy in the library when I was about 11 where he goes off on a rant about how the english call japs dogeaters when its the koreans that are the dogeaters. Or something like that

I kind of like the weird endings in a way. A lot of Tezuka stuff is punctuated with weird moments or parodies and stuff like that. It gives it a rough edge and is hard to digest at times, but it sure is endearing and fascinating at times.

Dororo was pretty fuckin great right up until that weird ending

He's alright but, certainly overrated compared to his peers at the time, especially the other tokiwa-so artists.

In particular, Shotaro Ishinomori was arguably better at times in terms of story based manga.

He's certainly at his best when writing something that's not meant to be 100% serious or "adult" so to speak. Astro Boy and Wonder 3 are ones that usually stick out to me in that regard.

Hack. Just being the first to get popular does not necessarily mean youre good

nihilistic gay sex murder is my favorite past time, how could you tell?

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How long is Dororo? I've been thinking of reading it before I watch the new anime.

I don't like him, his stuff just feels poorly done to me.

I've read
>Phoenix
>Buddha
>Adolf
>MW
>Princess Knight

Phoenix and Buddha are really close in quality for me. I put Adolf up there too but it has some more oddities than those two that make me not like it quite as much. MW was interesting, but definitely not the same quality as those three. Princess Knight was pretty garbage. The whole boy heart vs girl heart is a weird concept for something that could have worked otherwise and the story itself is all over the place. I've been meaning to read Dororo, Astro Boy, and Black Jack but wanted to take a break from Tezuka since outside of Phoenix I read most of the above pretty close together.

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Ayako!

What are some of Ishinomori's good stuff outside of Cyborg 0079 that's actually translated? I'm looking through some of his series on MU and none of the ones I click on are translated according to it.

>he worked best as a short story guy
>my favorites are his longest works

I've only read a few, but I really like "The Tree in the Sunlight".

The Astro Boy manga is really fun, the Pluto arc especially. It's just a Saturday Morning Cartoon but there's enough bite to it to keep it interesting for its massive length and make the different stories stand out.

His more serious works like Adolf are mostly just strange to me. His style and form of storytelling never felt like they suited real world drama.

Look at the man himself. Round glasses, beret, pen and paper in hand. I love how he inspired Lion King, but Astro Boy changed the world.

I feel like Astro Boy is actually the perfect encapsulation of his best qualities. Hyper cartoonish art style that's juxtaposed by tragic characters and a somewhat somber mood, anti-war/racism commentary, contained arcs and episodic plots, it has it all. Everything that's found in Astro Boy you could find to a lesser extent in all of his other works. It's his most iconic work for a reason.

>His more serious works like Adolf are mostly just strange to me. His style and form of storytelling never felt like they suited real world drama.
It's at it's worst in Dororo, that's a piece that just can't decide what the hell it wants to do. The remake does wonders in making the style match the tone.

i only watched the anime, and i don't know how similar it is. but the premise is pretty cool.

black jack is the best.

Thats not really true for him. If he just did Astroboy and the like in the early days you could say that 'oh he's just the first'.
But Tezuka came back almost 20 years later after those works that helped establish the medium and dropped ultrahits even then. Works that themselves are very influential.

Had to look him up. I haven't read any of his works because they aren't in english.

That's the biggest issue, next to nothing of his is translated. It's why people can get away with Tezuka shilling, since, most other authors of his time have very little translated. (See: Fujio Akatsuka, and, Fujiko Fujio as well)

There's quite a lot compared to others of his time but even so it's kinda hard to find or locked behind a paywall.

>If he just did Astroboy and the like in the early days you could say that 'oh he's just the first'.
And even then you can't really say that because that would be underselling Astro Boy's scope and influence. Even to this day you can find countless Astro Boy expies or characters clearly influenced by him/his expies. The series' DNA is all over Japanese media.

His furry porn stash.

Too much text and bad flow because of the text, but God tier character design.

3 volumes. It got canceled so the ending is awful. Watch 1969 show it has the best ending.

Honestly I don't really get the hype. I guess he was just influential but I haven't enjoyed any of his works that I've read

I mean it depends on what you like, I know his art doesn't sit well with a lot of modern audiences that hate sorta cartoony designs, but also, his stories tend to be a "Love it or hate it" kinda thing I've noticed

What have you read?

I don't really have an issue with the art, it's just the stories that didn't do anything for me. Admittedly I've only read Apollo's Song, MW and Dororo