Is it just me or are devil fruits kinda useless in this series? It seems like Haki makes them useless. Luffy is supposed to be more durable thanks to being rubber but gets one shotted by haki attacks. His fruit is used to enhance his strength or speed but as we saw from characters like rayleigh, with strong enough haki you can be faster & stronger than Luffy's gear 4... It's like the devil fruit is just for show, what's point in giving him gear second if other people are faster than him without a fruit?
Is it just me or are devil fruits kinda useless in this series? It seems like Haki makes them useless...
Haki was a mistake.
yes, Haki (literal power levels) plus plot armor induced stupidity make everything pointless.
Don't worry the next stage of powercreep is fruit reinforcement haki, which will counter haki while giving Luffy the properties of rubber and gum
>being able to move at the speed of light is useless
>being able to run through bodies of water and manipulate ice is useless
>being able to stretch your arms, thus increasing your range is useless
>being able to drop meteors is useless
>being able to create a space where you can split anything apart is useless
>being able to create barriers is useless
>being able to generate and manipulate poison is useless
I hate Wan Piss but this thread is pretty retarded
Now that I think about it, it's kinda like Law of Ueki. Devil fruits are randomish powers like the powers in Ueki and Haki is the God children power that is mostly there for power escalation.
To be fair Shanks bodies all of those characters with low difficulty so yes haki beats it all.
>being able to move at the speed of light is useless
Woops, sorry! I used my Haki to predict where you would move.
>being able to run through bodies of water and manipulate ice is useless
Woops, sorry! I used my Haki to break through your ice.
>being able to stretch your arms, thus increasing your range is useless
Woops, sorry! I used my Haki to fortify myself so range means nothing.
>being able to drop meteors is useless
Woops, sorry! I used my Haki to withstand your meteors so you better punch me with your Haki.
>being able to create a space where you can split anything apart is useless
Woops, sorry! My Haki is too tough for you to split me apart.
>being able to create barriers is useless
Woops, sorry! I used my Haki to punch through your barrier.
>being able to generate and manipulate poison is useless
Woops, sorry! I used my Haki to block out your poison.
How do you see the way Katakuri utilizes his mochi power with his CoO Haki and made such assessment?
>Woops, sorry! I used my Haki to predict where you would move.
Worked well for Boa sisters against Gear 2nd Luffy, didn't it? No, it didn't, retard.
>Woops, sorry! I used my Haki to break through your ice.
Haki doesn't do shit to being frozen, retard. It only allows you to hit your logia opponent's real body. Did you speedread?
>Woops, sorry! I used my Haki to withstand your meteors so you better punch me with your Haki.
Evens out if Fujitora coats the meteors with Haki too, retard. Almost like there's no Haki at all.
>Woops, sorry! My Haki is too tough for you to split me apart.
Did you forget about Law defeating Vergo?
>Woops, sorry! I used my Haki to punch through your barrier.
See the part about meteor.
>Woops, sorry! I used my Haki to block out your poison.
See the part about ice.
Retarded nigger doesn't even read the series, it seems.
is it me or are swords useless now
before: wow the legendary cursed sword Murakasama, amplifies the users strength! it should be able to withstand a clash with the opponents legendary katana
now: i channel my haki into this stick i found on the ground, arent i a badass swordsman
Think ahead, retard. Haki is a fucking powerlevel mechanic so it's only a matter of time before the powercreep renders the abilities of everyone with an insufficient level useless.
>GUYS, REMEMBER BEFORE HAKI CAME ALONG, THERE WERE TONS OF CREATIVE FIGHTS IN ONE PIECE OF FINDING THE ENEMY'S WEAKNESS LIKE THAT ONE TIME LUFFY FOUGHT AGAINST CROCODILE, AND UHHHHHH LUFFY VS CROCODILE AND UHHHHH WHEN LUFFY FOUGHT AGAINST THAT SAND GUY AND UHHHHH DID I SAY LUFFY VS CROCODILE YET?
Didn't Rayleigh 1v1 Kizaru even though he had no devil fruit? He was able to keep up with his lightspeed because of Haki user.
>i-it's only a matter of time, dude! Trust me!
Pathetic.
>forgetting luffy versus enel in Skykino
>n-nuh uh! it's not gonna happen this time! wan piss is totally not like literally every other shonen!
Legendary sword > Stick. Therefore, Legendary sword + Haki > Stick + Haki. Retard.
>Luffy is a rubberman so he can just naturally hit Enel without spending time finding his weakness
OH MY GOD, THE CREATIVITY!!!
Before Haki came along, luffy's rubber actually mattered. He was able to endure attacks and reflect them. he was able to be faster than others with his gears, and his gear 3rd made him stronger. Haki came and made that irrelevant. Before when he used his rubber attacks it gave him an advantage
the villain had to come up with a way to find luffy's weakness, while after timeskip enemies just imbue their self with haki and hit luffy till he's knocked out
>Haki came and made that irrelevant.
You clearly forgot how Luffy could make Gear 4 possible, didn't you?
Does it matter? Kaido doesn't even need his devil fruit to be faster and stronger than gear 4th. All that matters is your haki. Rayleigh was able to go toe to toe with Kizaru.
stick + powerlevel 9001 haki > legendary sword + powerlevel 9000 haki
>the villain had to come up with a way to find luffy's weakness
Enel finds out Luffy can be hurt with sharp weapons like every other human beings? SUCH OBSCURE WEAKNESS! THE CREATIVITY!!!!
> after timeskip enemies just imbue their self with haki and hit luffy till he's knocked out
Before timeskip, enemies just hit/slashes Luffy till he's knocked out, the only difference being no Haki. SO SICK AND CREATIVE!!!
You gotten really desperate with how hard you want to oversimplify things. Calm down kid, it's not that serious.
>Does it matter?
Luffy came up with Gear 4 by making him more elastic and springy by inflating his muscles with Haki. This shit wouldn't be possible if he didn't eat Gomu Gomu fruit.
>Kaido doesn't even need his devil fruit to be faster and stronger than gear 4th. All that matters is your Haki
Luffy has been training under Hyogoro to break through Kaidou's dragon scale which he never even once covered with Haki when Luffy rushed him down. Fuck are you on about?
>Rayleigh was able to go toe to toe with Kizaru
God forbid a DF-less First Mate of the Pirate King himself is able to go toe to toe with an Admiral. Haki doesn't increase your speed, by the way, that's not how CoO works.
CoO breaks the plot
Just you.
This. Why can’t they just admit they don’t read the series? Or maybe, read it, develop an informed opinion, and move on?
pirate king's first mate and former best swordsman in the world, who also happens to have total control over a haki which is only found in one in a million managed to hold an admiral back for few minutes???? what? who could've expected?
Actually, I'd say it's quite the opposite. DF powers are SO useful that Oda has had to create ridiculous buffs non-DF users and nerfs for DF-users (usually in the form of bad writing "why didn't he just....?") moments to compensate for it. Like, it's obviously ridiculous that a guy who is literally light decides to use that power to have a sword fight with someone rather than the myriad other ways he could keep it from being a fair fight.
DFs aren't useless and Haku isn't OP. Oda just writes DF powers and their use down to whatever level he needs in the moment.
>now: i channel my haki into this stick i found on the ground, arent i a badass swordsman
Are you talking shit about about Shang By Juan?
Haki will always be superior to devil fruits. They only give you few tricks up your sleeve and edge in certain situational battles. At least for the normal ones that is.
This is One Piece's way of saying that hard work and beats luck.
sugar's power was world breaking
More like a way for oda to write lazy uncreative "my hacki is stronger than yours" dogshit fights.
>Almost like there's no Haki at all
That implies haki is equal between the opponents. If the person's arms haki is stronger than the arms haki applied to the meteor or sword it would be irrelevant.
The problem isn't necessarily haki though, its that one piece overemphasizes melee slugfests with both characters trading large amount of blows and clashing repeatedly over any other types of combat.
This.
The top tier of One Piece are all Haki monsters, DF user or not. Obviously, all else being equal, you're gonna have an advantage being able to create earthquakes, move at light speed, turn into a volcano, etc., as well. Just because Oda wants to treat readers like they're retarded, doesn't mean you have to act like it, OP.
His post ts enemies usually use pierce/cut attacks: Hordy's teeth, Doffy's df, Cracker's sword Katakuri's trident
Isn't that what luffy already does with gear 4th?
he didnt have super haki until now