Evangelion

I still don't get why did they wait untill the whole angels are killed to initiate instrumentality

There was an extended period of time between Kaji delivering the embryo, and Kaji finding and showing Misato "Adam" on the cross. The embryonic Adam he delivered to Gendo was in cryogenic stasis. He must have assumed that Gendo had brought it out of such stasis and contained it on the cross in Terminal Dogma for his own purposes, rather than actually engrafted it into his own body. In episode 24, the Black Moon/White Moon distinction is introduced with the Lilith reveal, and this is explained even further in End of Eva. It's not confusing if you pay attention.

Two reasons, as far as I could tell. One, the Instrumentality Project is something they are still working on getting ready for throughout the original series. They had decipher the specific instructions for the Red Earth Purification Ritual from the scrolls, and then they had to secure the Spear from Antarctica, and use it to prepare Lilith, create the MP Evas, Dummy System, etc., lots of stuff they show in the series. Two, because they are deliberately following the prophetic scenario of the Dead Sea Scrolls in terms of sequence. Only one species may survive and evolve, and the other must perish. The war between the offspring of Adam & Lilith must be finished first. The Angels also could have easily interfered in the ritual if not dealt with. Imagine if Ramiel strolled up in the middle of End of Eva.

It confusing and you're retarded for defending it , even anno acknowledged how retarded it was and fixed the introduction of lilith in the 1st rebuild movie

The entire mythos of the Rebuild films is different from NGE. The Evas aren't the same thing, the Impacts aren't the same thing, plug depth and berserk status aren't the same thing... apples and oranges. The reveal isn't different because the original was bad, but because the rebuilds have a different story.

I always thought the whole "are the angels trying to make contact with us" to be a foreshadowing for Kaworu, in how the angels are getting more and more sophisticated up to the point one of them just appears as a human and talks to Shinji.

I think the 1st point is irrelevant because it seemed that they were waiting for the angels to be killed as for the 2nd point i think the whole point of intsrumanality is to make all the living creatures into a single one that includes lilins and angels, because it's not allowed for both of them to exist at the same planet they should fuse into a1 being

Kaworu explicitly says to Shinji that only one race may survive the coming turmoil (and that Shinji is not someone who should die).

As for the first point, it adds to their need to fight the Angels. They have to protect their research materials as they fight off the Angels and wait for the Promised Day.

Okay evaboi no matter what we say your opinion won't change . Now try to defend the point that op mentioned, seele told kaworu where gendo hides adam but after he went to central dovma he was surprised that it was lilth , if you don't call that a shitty writing then you must have a brain damage

>gendo has adam's embryo in his hands under the gloves
No they don't, they say Gendo has Adam. Kaworu most likely felt something down in Dogma like all the other angels and it assumed it could be nothing but Adam, because he didn't even know Lilith was still around.

lol you are really desperate to hate this anime. Already been addressed. Adam's flesh could be within Gendo, and also on the cross. Evangelion Unit 01 was a clone of Lilith, and the others are clones of Adam-- 'alter ego's as Kaworu said. Another example is the flesh-clones of Rei which lack the soul of Lilith. Those are all true, 1:1 physical reproductions of Rei. Gendo taking such flesh into himself would be enough to facilitate the forbidden fusion of Adam & Lilith in EoE, and to make Gendo 'like Kaworu'-- something beyond human.

I don't know why every single thing needs to be laid out for you, no mystique whatsoever. The obscurity is part of the atmosphere of Eva-- insane metaphysical shenanigans beyond the comprehension of mortal men. Explaining the Force in Star Wars ruined the concept. Same principle here.

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Why was it necessary to kill all the angels?
Was it to avoid interference when they actually went through with instrumentality?

I wonder if there was any possibility of the angels and humans coexisting with each other, they didn't fight out of hostility but because they just wanted to reunite with their creator Adam

Adam and Lilith are both seeds of life right?
Maybe they have similar wavelengths

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Yeah, so it's understandable why the angels would sense Lilith and assume it's Adam.

Kaworu didn't seem optimistic. He felt he was pulled irresistibly by fate to an apocalyptic union with Adam, and that he had to choose between that or death. It really is very sad. The Angels are other possible humanities.

To be honest that works best if Kaworu is just a regular angel and we assume the angel evolutionary hivemind. In which case you could assume Kaworu ruling in humanity's favor as the collective epiphany of his race and the reason for no more angels hatching after him.

I recall in NGE2 to get some of the good endings you have to convince Kaworu to live with the humans, SEELE is then unable to initiate instrumentality and Nerv is defended from their raid with his help. But it's hard to do because Kaworu is dead set on believing he has to die or kill, he don't even think about a third option.

Kaworu isnt really a natural angel though
How is he aware of Lilith if only a single seed of life is to be placed on each planet

That's why the lore became very complicate.

Because he's Adam, why would he not know about Lilith? She's basically his sister.

no adam is the fucked up nipple fetus in Gendo's hand

If we ignore the Lilith revelation we could suppose that Kaji gaves the embryo recovered in Antarctica to Gendo and that in episode 15 you see Adam who seems to have grown up artificially in the terminal dogma and will be used in the keikaku. Rei is also artificial and countains Adam DNA, pretty much an evangelion but in Human form.

But then Kaworu came from nowhere, with the embryo implanted on Gendo's hand and Adam being actually Lilith. Kaworu is also Adam too because he countains his soul. All of those ayy creatures have now souls you can separate from them.

Everything became unecessary complicate with only one episode.

Lorelet, Kaworu has the soul of Adam, the fetus is just his soulless body.

>they say Gendo has Adam
No, they explicitly say that Adam is fused with Gendo, not that he is in his possession.

How they actually did to recover Lilith's AT field (soul) everytimes? Same for having extracted Adam's AT field.

If Rei dies, her AT field remains on the same place or go back to Lilith's body? This process is frustrating because we know nothing about it.

Same as Eva 00's craziness. If we admit Rei 1 is inside and angry we are not forced to admit they have all the same soul, thought there is also Asuka's mom craziness.

True, but that still doesn't negate the possibility that Kaworu felt a huge presence in Dogma and just assumed it had to be Adam/Gendo.

In Death in Rebirth the way they reveal Adam inside Gendo's hand makes it seem like Kaji was the one who had Adam

This make Kaworu even more stupid. And others Angels too who are supposed to be attracted autommatically by Adam.

This episode was good but this character was introduced too fast and they not even cared about the lore. Focusing mostly on philosophical thematics.

>the introduction of lilith in the 1st rebuild movie
I have a feeling that there is some foul play here, that this was a red herring of sorts and the reason behind the confusion in 3.0 and the morphed spears. Whether it's because that was not the real Lilith down there in Terminal Dogma but only a bait, or because like Adam there are several Liliths in Rebuild, I'm not sure. But something is fishy.

Kaji gaves it to Gendo at the end of episode 8, the embryo was recovered and the United Nations Fleet was attacked by an Angel because he has it on his possession.

They all assumed Lilith was actually Adam, it makes sense because they didn't even know about the possibility of Lilith. As for Kaworu, he may have just assumed Gendo was down in Dogma based on the presence he felt.

>This make Kaworu even more stupid
Kaworu is literally Adam too. The Evas are made from Adam's flesh. Now he's told Gendo has fused with Adam. So what? Doesn't mean the giant thing in NERVs basement radiating Seed of Life wavelengths or whatever the fuck attracts Angels in the first place can't be Adam too.

Im aware, just the way the scenes are presented in D&R makes it seem like Kaji was the one who put the fucker into his hand

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In Rebuild apparentely a Rei did the same thing as Kaworu and succeded but was stopped and her head was cutted.

In the manga Gendo just eat the thing.

Is it explicitly stated that Kaworu as a vessel contains the entirety of Adam's soul? I initially viewed them more as avatars than vessels before that was explained, with Adam was still doing some level of puppeteering. Probably wrong tho.