How much credit does he deserve?
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>How much credit does he deserve?
It varies from work to work but it's hard to gauge since most of his contributions (when he does make any) go uncredited. I can try walking you through it to the best of my ability if you'd like.
Sure, why not. I just appreciate his Shaft and pre-Shaft work. If he was the sole director he'd easily be one of the best in the game, but since he's "chief director" or some shit, well, I guess everyone doubts him.
Are there any series (preferably Shaft-era) in particular you'd like to know about? It would be a really big undertaking to go over all of them.
Try to do all of Shaft at least, I assumed his early stuff is mostly him. Please tell me Monogatari and Hidarmari are at least in some part Shinbo works.
9.Akiyuki Shinbo(Madoka)
What is this supposed to mean?
Okay.
>Moon Phase
Many of the people who were collaborating with Shinbo on this show, despite having collaborated with him before, were not terribly experienced as directors so he was likely picking up a lot of the slack (remember that this was around the time he began teaching his style to what would become Shaft's core staff). It's also highly likely that he storyboarded the first episode himself. Michio Fukuda probably managed the scrape by with very few corrections to his storyboards since he already had a lot of experience working with Shinbo and variousUtena-gumi directors.
>Pani Poni Dash!
To be honest, I'm not entirely sure about this one. Storyboards from this show are pretty rare and I haven't really read any interviews on it. Shinbo was probably involved in a similar, but likely slightly lesser capacity to Moon Phase. Shin Oonuma and Tatsuya Oishi also really start coming into their own on this series.
>Negima!?
Shinbo seems to have barely been involved beyond an executive level since this show aired concurrently with Hidamari Sketch which he was focusing most of his efforts on. One notable thing about this show is that Shinbo actually groaned when looking over Tatsuya Oishi's storyboards for the OP (because he felt he had been surpassed?)
>Hidamari Sketch
This show is Shinbo central. Shinbo has stated that he's always wanted to adapt a shoujo manga (probably mostly due to his great affinity for Osamu Dezaki who was somewhat known for his shoujo adaptations, Shinbo is a shounenshitter through and through.) and while Hidamari isn't that, it was penned by a female author and draws from shoujo aesthetics (as all shoujo anime/manga do) so it seems he was really into the idea of working on it. Not only did Shinbo storyboard 8 episodes of the series in total (under various pseudonyms), there are also a lot of interviews pertaining to this show where he and other members of the show's staff detail his hands-on supervision
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>surpasses all of Shinbo's Shaft shows
>Negima!? Haru Special!?
I forgot to mention it in the last post but Shinbo storyboarded this OVA.
>Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei
This series just about coincides with two others that Shinbo was pretty significantly involved with (Hidamari and ef) so he ended up being pretty hands off with this one. There are some examples of him making minor adjustments to the shot composition of storyboards but that seems to be about the extent of his contribution (besides the regular duties of a supervising director). Also, most of the anime-original references were likely (read: almost definitely) added by individual storyboarders and episode director and not him (eg: the series starts referencing KyoAni works a lot once Miyamoto takes over, Imaishi's episode is a Gyatoruz parody, Oishi's episode is filled with film references I don't get, etc.)
>ef
Despite only being credited with "supervision" on this series, Shinbo was actually pretty involved with it, helping meticulously plan out how the game's routes would be adapted and even storyboarding an episode himself. Most of the show's stylistic flair can probably be attributed to Oonuma, though.
>Maria Holic
Tomoyuki Itamura and Naoyuki Tatsuwa handled the bulk of the storyboards for season one and Shinbo's been known to hold their hands in the past so this show is likely rife with his connections (I have proof of him correcting the latter's boards). I have no idea what went on with season two, that season is really weird from a production standpoint.
>Natsu no Arashi
I've barely seen any of this show but Oonuma was processing most of the storyboards for season one and he's fantastic when it comes to that so there probably isn't a lot of Shinbo here. He probably gets a bit more hands on with season two since Oonuma's left by then.
If Shaft's stuff is really the work of a bunch of different people adhering to a single style then why do people think Shaft is dead? They did have a lot of people leave but I can't imagine that new people couldn't learn to do stuff (plus Shinbo is still there as far as I know). Unless the whole studio itself has issues for some reason.
>Monogatari Series
Bake was mostly storyboarded by Tatsuya Oishi and Nobuyuki Takeuchi who are two are Shaft's most talented and experienced directors so I highly doubt Shinbo modified their boards very much. There are probably some Shinbo corrections on Aoki, Sugiyama and Itamura's episodes, though. Shinbo also managed the series structure for the Monogatari series for we're likely looking at something similar to his involvement with ef's preproduction here. It's also worth noting that Shinbo really starts picking up a lot of the slack after Oishi fucks off to go work on Kizu and Takeuchi slithers into the background the do solely production design for the series and probably have buttsex with Ikuhara in his off-time. From Nise onwards, storyboards are full of Shinbo corrections. Itamura's boards even get modified as late as Owari. Shinbo also almost completely reworked Mie Oishi's boards for Zoku Owari according to a Japanese insider.
>Dance in the Vampire Bund
I have a considerable number of boards from this series and the Shinbo corrections are incredibly minor (mostly just adding/editing storyboard notations).
>Arakawa Under the Bridge
Shinbo seems to have almost completely redrawn episode one. He also likely heavily corrected other episodes storyboarded by Shinichi Omata.
>SoreMachi
Lots of Itamura and Tatsuwa again so lots of small corrections here and there. Shinbo's storyboards for this series are wonderfully fun and kinetic, probably some of his best at Shaft.
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what of Madoka?
>Madoka
This is Shinbo's passion project. Full stop. Not only was it originally conceived by him, it's also covered in his fingerprints and draws clear inspiration from a lot of his favourites (Devilman, Baldios, Suspiria, shoujo aesthetics, ridiculous architecture, etc.). Shinbo also considerably reworked various storyboards for the series including those for episodes 1, 3, 5, 9, and probably 8. Notably, Shinbo says he barely had to correct Shinsaku Sasaki's (4, 6, 10, 12) boards at all (which is probably why he was chosen to solo-storyboard Rebellion. For what it's worth, I've also heard that Inu Curry were a bit picky about being able to do the witch labyrinths their way.
As for MagiReco, he seems to have barely been involved judging by his made-up supervision credit. I doubt he'd want to desecrate his brainchild like that.
Shaft's doing fine at the moment. Most of the animators who left the studio were tied up in the Kizu dungeon and had barely contributed to any of the studio's other works since Madoka and most of the studio's backbone is either still working there or still on good terms with them. Currently Shaft are restructuring, taking their time with things and playing it safe. Lately the studio's put out two fantastically animated episodes of 5-toubun and Lapis Re:Lights respectively, showing that the studio can actually put out good animation when they aren't beholden to terrible scheduling and production management, they've also been cultivating new talent which you should look forward to seeing more of on their new shows. I won't lie, though, the way Shaft plays their cards could make or break the studio in the coming years. If they end up playing things too safe I think it could seriously backfire on them.
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I should add that I'm actually more worried about Tadao Iwaki (the animation producer who brought a wealth of Madhouse talent onto Arakawa, Madoka, 3-gatsu, and other series) leaving. His connections did Shaft a lot of good in the 2010s.
Cool. I hope when they get back on their feet they do the adaptation of Shimeji Simulation, though I feel like that's a pipe dream.
Speaking of 3-gatsu, detail that one too, pls
Thanks for the insightful posts. Are there any central sources to learn more about this stuff or are you drawing on various interviews and other snippets from throughout the years?
>Denpa Onna
Shinbo was mostly busy with Madoka when this show was in pre-production but he still did some storyboard corrections.
>Katte ni Kaizou
I didn't really get the sense that Shinbo was particularly involved or uninvolved with this one. There were a lot of younger storyboarders, though, so he probably reworked their stuff a tiny bit.
>Sasami-san@Ganbaranai
No idea, honestly.
>Nisekoi
This was a pretty big exposure project for Shaft so Shinbo is in charge of series composition again. Judging by how jarring some of the Shinbo-isms are it's likely that he was doing a lot of small storyboard corrections again. Shinbo's longtime friend, Pierrot's Noriyuki Abe was also invited to storyboard two episodes. Shaft's newer generation of directors (Kenjiro Okada, Hajime Otani, Midori Yoshizawa) also really start to develop on season two of this series.
>Mekakucity Actors
I'm pretty sure Shinbo tried to distance himself from this trainwreck as much as possible. The homages to Utena were also added by the series director, Yuuki Yase, who would work on Yuri Kuma Arashi a year later and reportedly keepes an Utena box set on his desk. As a side note, I'm pretty sure Shinbo hasn't even seen Utena.
keep going!
also, still waiting for gourmet graffiti and 3-gatsu, but take your time based bro!
The staff exodus was something I thought shaft could recover from, but seeing their next two anime projects and their lineups had me wondering how long it might take before they consolidate, and if it'll look anything like Shinbou era Shaft afterwards. Frankly I just want Oishi back. Also I'd heard Imamura's basically a porn artist living off commissions now, what the fuck happened?
Are we never going ot get the rest of Monogatari adapted?
Did Shaft involved in all of Nissin's anime CM? I could only found the source that said they did the 4 One Piece CM only.
Thanks for making this thread. I just started watching Le Petite Cosette since it's been under my PtW for a while. I wanted to see a gruesome gothic horror and holy shit it's pretty wild. The interesting part is how detailed the girl is compared to the other characters.
>Koufuki Graffiti
Aside from performing his standard duties during the show's pre-production (working with the animation and photography staff to make sure the food looked just right) Shinbo seems to be mostly absent on this one. Sometimes it's best to just let Tatsuwa's grounded visuals take centre-stage, especially for a series like this.
>3-gatsu
I have a lot of storyboard pages from this series but almost none of them have Shinbo any Shinbo corrections, probably just bad luck, a lot of scenes from episodes I don't have boards for are rife with hallmarks of Shinbo's staging and editing. I also don't think Shinbo would have taken a hands off approach since this was also a massive exposure project for Shaft and Kenjiro Okada's first time directing a series. As yet another side note, Okada's storyboards are very detailed and full of various coloured annotations.
>Kizumonogatari
This is almost 100% Oishi. Well, not literally, obviously anime production is a highly collaborative process but what I mean to say is that Shinbo was barely involved. He didn't even show up for some of the interviews.
>Uchiage Hanabi
Probably mostly Takeuchi's work. Most of the interviews I've read pertaining to the movie are with him rather than Shinbo. Interestingly, Ikuni was actually the one who first introduced Takeuchi to Iwai's filmography
if it'll look anything like Shinbou era Shaft afterwards.
Shinbo's still working with Shaft as a staff director/in-house educator so his influence is still there. Saeki's shows are probably going to be a bit more toned down compared to what you're used to (although he has done fantastic work under Shinbo in the past) but he is one of Hideaki Anno's direct proteges and the inheritor of his prized possession (SatoJun's storyboards for Sailor Moon #001) so I think his work might be something to look forward to (if Assault Lily doesn't turn out to be a CGI mess.)
It's very good.
Thanks.
>Are we never going ot get the rest of Monogatari adapted?
Maybe, but don't expect any new shows until the latter half of 2021.
Only the Zoro and Nami ones that aired ~a year ago to my knowledge.
Anyways, last two shows and a few extras.
>Zaregoto
Shinbo might have storyboarded episode 2 (which is uncredited)
>Fate/Extra Last Encore
Full of Shinbo corrections.
>Fate/Extra CCC OP, Madoka Concept Movie, Kakushigoto Manga PV
All boarded by Shinbo.
So basically Shinbo had more creative control on some of the better shows (Hidamari, Madoka, Monogatari) but then was absent from a few classics (SZS, 30gatsu?)
I still think he's pretty based and deserves respect.
Believe me, I have a lot of faith in Saeki, seemed like he got fucked over by the Gainax exodus, but I can't say I'm too excited for Assault Lily, and that other Strike Witches side story he's doing for them. I got the impression Shaft management is bringing him on to help make up for their own lack of staff, and I don't know if what they have right now can back up his talent. Did you watch MagiReco? I didn't, but wondered if Gekidan Inu Curry was a good fit as director.
Outside of TV series, OVAs and movies, are there any other works that Shaft had done that most user is unaware of like