Whose love was more real towards Shinji? I think Rei's was because she saw that Shinji respected her...

Whose love was more real towards Shinji? I think Rei's was because she saw that Shinji respected her, while Asuka just used Shinji because she had an inferiority complex towards him while Kaji rejected her too.

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They both felt real love towards Shinji (heaven knows why). Asuka only convinced herself she liked Kaji because of her mental problems equating that to being a "grown-up". Part of her coldness towards Shinji came from the fact she was experiencing a real, childhood affection instead of a made-up adult one. The other part came from the fact Shinji's a limpdicked faggot who wouldn't even kiss her back (and just layed there like a corpse while they had sex in ep 15). Asuka felt real love towards Shinji, not because she had much reason to but because that's what children do - they fall in love with other kids for no good reason.

Kaworu was full unconditional.

no he just wanted to start third impact, and sweet talked shinji by just telling him what he wanted to hear.
it's called emotional manipulation

asuka's love was the most realist for shinji it's just that he didn't act mature enough for her liking and was trying to constantly trying to change him in her own tsundere way to be more mature like the older men she likes.
if she didn't like him she would never brought up that they can also kiss.

Kaworu didn't need Shinji to start the 3I. What would he gain from being kind to Shinji?

This.
Retard brainlet.

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If you're constantly trying to change every single part of a person, then you don't really love them.

Rei is his mum

The whole point of Evangelion was Anno telling Shinji (past him) to stop pitying himself so much and take steps to fix his mental problems, even if he prefers being depressed and sad all the time about everything to the painstaking process of self-improvement. His problems aren't something he should accept, they're something he should fix.

Choosing to love Rei/Kaworu/Instrumentality is Shinji staying the numb, pathetic sad sack he is. Choosing to love Asuka on Earth is making the first agonising step towards self-improvement.

The whole point of Evangelion was Anno telling Shinji (and you) to love yourself and be good to yourself, because only then can you work on the path to self-improvement. The final scene of the Anime literally ends with Shinji making the steps to loving himself.
Asuka is the one who forces Shinji into insecurity and self-hatred, he enters instrumentality right after choking her out of anger. However Rei and Kaworu are the ones who convince Shinji to leave instrumentality, because they represent hope and love in his heart - the things he loved about life and the good parts that outweighed the bad.
Reminder that it is Kaworu in episode 24 who tells Shinji to stop running away and work on his flaws by showing him love, whereas Asuka kept forcing him deeper and deeper into a corner by making him hate himself even more.

Asuka made fun of him for cooking (a literal skill that he's good at) and when he was getting better at piloting. She hated seeing him succeed, and laughed when he got sucked into Leliel because she wanted him to fail so he wouldn't threat her ego of being the best. Try actually watching the series sometime you fucking retard.

Try actually watching EoE, retard. Asuka goes through a common anime trope known as character development when she realises her mother was always looking out for her through her Eva and changes for the better, just like Shinji needs to learn to change for the better.

you were right all the way until the last sentence. love wasn't a factor is was about the entire behavior of pushing people away/hurting them preemptively before they can do it to you first. Asuka is just a stand-in for people other than Shinji

"Loving yourself" is just the counterpoint to Shinji's fatal flaw: being depressed and self-loathing. The last 2 episodes that everyone always criticises were an exercise in making Shinji realise that not only does this cause all the problems in his life, but causes problems in other's lives aswell and that he needs to improve on these. "Loving himself" is part of Shinji's path to becoming a better person, not staying who he already is.

So you admit that when Shinji was showing improvement and confidence during the fight against Leliel, Asuka was even more angry with him and was laughing when he got sucked into Leliel. She didn't want to see him improve because it was a threat to her ego, she says that herself.
In EoE, who is it who guides Shinji out of instrumentality? Rei, Yui, and Kaworu. They're the ones there talking to him to leave and embrace reality. Not Asuka. It's actually his confrontation with Asuka that makes him want to kill everyone and go into instrumentality in the first place, it happens right after he chokes her.

It's like you didn't even read my post:
>Anno telling Shinji (and you) to love yourself and be good to yourself, because only then can you work on the path to self-improvement

>her mother was always looking out for her through her Eva and changes for the better
How though? She randomly wakes up from a near coma state, screams about her mama, gets an epic anime powerup and then gets BTFO by the white chad evas. It made no fucking sense and there was no buildup to it.

Asuka spent the entire series running away from reality and embracing escapism by putting all her self-worth into piloting the Eva. Asuka is a warning for the audience, she is what happens to people who choose escapism over reality. Asuka is what you SHOULDN'T be.

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You are right OP. Rei is as noble as it gets, her feelings are pure and she's unable to feel anything that's not born out of kindness and empathy. That's why she protected him several times during the series and then guides him out of instrumentality.
You could make a valid point for Kaworu too but not Asuka.

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Kaworu is a retarded character, the whole point of the series is to show that humans cannot love each other unconditionally but they must love themsselves like that

Kaworu is an angel, he's able to show love unconditionally for humanity because he's a Jesus-like figure in the show.

The original Kaworu was a well-written character. The question asked here was who loved Shinji, not anything else. Him choosing Shinji and his kind (Lilim) over his own kind (angels) shows that his affections for him were real.
However I think that the character whose affections and feelings were more noble and honest is still Rei.

>Whose love was more real towards Shinji?
Well Asuka's feelings were as real as it gets, but they sure as fuck weren't of the romantic kind. What kind of love it was that Rei felt for him is up for debate, but at least it was real love.

Kaji's paternal love towards Shinji is the most real love in the whole franchise

Yes, Rei came to care for Shinji because he first took the initiative in caring for her. After suffering a life of abuse at Gendo's hands and being convinced she was replaceable and worthless, her relationship with Shinji ended up proving otherwise. This is why she rejects Gendo and gives Shinji the helm over instrumentality in the movie.
Shinji earned the favor of Lilith (Rei) and (Adam) over Seele and Gendo who were trying to control them.

Well, user, you put it perfectly in a few words. I agree with that.

>The last 2 episodes that everyone always criticises
Which is insane. EoE wes beautiful, a masterpiece of cinematography, but it feels empty and pointless and honestly shit compared to what the final two episodes achieved.

In many ways they both complement each other.

In many ways yes, but was EoE a story that had to be told? What does it contribute to the theme of the series? It's a spectacular. Violent, sexual, a satanic ritual overdose with all the mystic symbolism you'd ever want, the possibly greatest apocalypse in movie history. It's beautiful. But does it have another reason to exist?

Yeah, but it was a great movie nonetheless so I'm happy they made it. And in many ways it answered most of the doubts regarding the plot that fans had, without retconning the beautiful message EoTV gave, so I'm fine with EoE.