Is the Seinen genre dead?

>post the definition of genre instead of seinen
I know you are baiting but don't do this, there are people who unironically believe this, not something harmful but they will look dumb when getting corrected.

Isn’t Lupin a seinen series?

This doesn't change anything. Adult and kids movies are genres.

There was a couple of good ones this year.

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>All modern "seinens" are just shounen or harem trash in disguise.
Yes because that shit is easier to merchandise, and also appeals to the “seinen” demographic. The other types of series that are easy to merchandise are things like mecha, but I don’t think most people consider Gundam to be seinen.

not seinen, that's a romcom

Are you saying moe SOL is seinen?

Based on the definition you posted, adult and kids movies are in fact NOT genres. As not all "adult movies" have similarities in "form, style, or subject matter"

Touche. I guess I was wrong. The point I was trying to get across is that anime like Monster, Black Lagoon, and Hellsing don't get made anymore.

Yes.

Demographic =/= Genre

Rather than saying "seinen genre", you could just type "mature anime for mature viewer like myself" and that would save everyone their time from replying in this thread.

Shonen, seinen, shoujo, and josei only apply to manga. You can sometimes apply them to anime through association but in general they're not used for anime. There's tons of seinen magazines that are currently in circulation though so if you want to read a seinen manga there's plenty to read. But seinen is not a genre and doesn't specify much of anything about a manga. Hidamari Sketch is seinen the same as Berserk is seinen.

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why would moe SOL not be seinen if is targeted toward that demographic

Wow I'm honestly glad that got resolved so fairly. I'm totally with you in that regard, about shows like that not really getting made any more. Those 3 in particular were unique even for their time though. In terms of anime, you could try Parasyte if you haven't seen that. I think Madhouse really has a specific vibe with their seinen anime adaptations that feels very respectful to the manga, that's a similarity between all 3 shows you mentioned. Gungrave is also a similar vibe.

If you read manga, 20th Century Boys and Pluto are good from the same author as Monster. The author "Takahashi Tsutomu" makes a lot of good seinen manga such as Bakuon Rettou (fully translated), Tetsuwan Girl (fully translated) and Sidooh (not fully translated). He has a unique artstyle that's very good and his manga tend to have a lot of complex characters. The stories are usually pretty loose and it's definitely a different vibe than the stuff you listed but you might get a kick out of that.

Those 3 you listed sort of remind me of 70s-80s gritty pulp movies if that's your sort of thing, live action stuff. The Driver, Year of the Dragon, Cop (1989), The Killer. You might like those.

>Seinen covers multiple forms, styles, and subject matters though
so does sci-fi, and fantasy, and Saturday morning cartoons, and casual games and tons of other genres.
people generally know what you mean when you refer to a fantasy movie despite the word literally encompassing almost all fiction. 70s sci-fi stories are completely different from modern ones. we're able to make use of these works because of context and popular usage.
it shouldn't be a stretch that there's a common understanding of what kind of story a seinen is despite the meaning itself having no other indication.

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Why bother being so semantic about one word choice? You get what he means.

Seinen died when Hunter X Hunter went on hiatus. When it comes back seinen will be back on top.

Seinen is not a genre and there are many good seinen currently serialized. Fuck off and die.

>You get what he means
Not really

It's funny that what people usually mean when they say that they want to watch or read a seinen, is that they want blood and tits. But then you realize that something like Devilman is a shonen and it's all meaningless.

I don't get what he means without him explaining himself like here because I actually read seinen manga and so know what the term means and it's not "adult anime for mature watchers such as myself". Using seinen that way is a lot less obvious than using shonen to mean all battle shonen but I still shit on people on Zig Forums that do that too.

>so does sci-fi, and fantasy, and Saturday morning cartoons, and casual games and tons of other genres.
wrong

Not anime but I'm reading Blue Period rn and its good imo, too bad the translation is slow af

>K-On! (Japanese: けいおん!, Hepburn: Keion!) is a Japanese four-panel manga written and illustrated by Kakifly. It was serialized in Houbunsha's monthly seinen manga magazine Manga Time Kirara between the May 2007 and October 2010 issues.

Too easy.

so what are the similarities in the stories of non non biyori, hidamari sketch, kaguya, berserk and blade of the immortal that would make you think they all share a common understanding

Seinen covers a lot of different genre

What is better for monster, the anime or manga?

again context and usage. genre isn't a objective categorization. someone could legitimately say that Star Trek and everything like it is sci-fi, but Star Wars is just reskinned fantasy, or Black Mirror isn't far enough into the future to qualify. but they're all sci-fi by somebody's definition. and when those people talk about sci-fi to people who share the same interests they know what they mean.

Manga Time Kirara is seinen. Bonobono is also technically seinen. Both are not terribly "adult" in nature.