All fiction is wish fulfillment and there is nothing wrong with that...

All fiction is wish fulfillment and there is nothing wrong with that . Self inserting and harems are just as valid as any other story aspect.

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>All fiction is wish fulfillment
no

Yeah, but if it's just one guy's delusions, then the creator of that shit need to be socked in his goddamned face.

It's called "escapism." Animators are working slave-labor hours for slave-labor money because motherfuckers think "parading their unachievable delusions within their delusions" are okay.

It fucking isn't.

Sure, but it's boring and removes any sort of emotional tension.
If you don't want tension and stakes in your shows then you're a boring person.
It's okay to be boring, but it's not okay to defend your own dullness.

>All fiction is wish fulfillment
No, only if you're mentally ill.
> there is nothing wrong with that
It's wrong when the fans start to sperg out and derail discussions over that shit.

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This is pathetic user.

He doesn't say what they want to hear, but what they need to hear. An utterly based post, if I do say so myself.

>Self inserting and harems are just as valid as any other story aspect.
No it's not. it's absolutely virgin tier and pathetic

Literally none of you can refute this. But i know better than to expect coherent thought from your types.

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that's not what wish fulfillment means you troglodyte

Seriously, though. If "wish fulfillment" was REALLY that important, then the #chans wouldn't exist and you wouldn't talk all that face-punchable shit.

>self-insertion is something emotionally underdeveloped narcissists do
ok

The existence of any fiction at all means that the author desires to tell their story. No matter the genre of the story every single author is fulfilling their own wishes and the wishes of those that have the same tastes as them. Just because you like stories that pander towards you and dislike stories that pander towards others doesn't mean that you can objectively call those other stories bad.

Self inserting means that you have empathy desu.

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Lmao, what is there to refute? The guy purposefully muddies concept of wish-fulfillment to fit his argument. Wish-fulfillment is a concept applied to a particular type of narrative that seeks to give its audience a taste of success they cannot find in reality through by using a blank main character as a proxy.

That argument is patently retarded. But a better one can be made in the spirit of : all fiction is intended to touch the reader in some way or another, whether by invoking certain emotions or imparting a moral. And indeed, the act of enjoying fiction requires you to allow yourself to let yourself be touched by the story. When you lament a character's death or cheer on the protagonist's victory, you're empathizing with the characters in the story. You're putting yourselves in their shoes. You're relating to them. In other words, you're self-inserting.
Now, you can argue that certain stories cater to a fanbase of virgins or losers or other undesirables, and then therefore they should be mocked. In that case, see pic related, and come to the understanding that a place like Reddit or Twitter might be more your speed. But at least recognize that it's not "self-inserting" that's the problem, it's that the wrong people are self-inserting.

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>wish fulfillment is fulfilling wishes
bravo, now everything we do is wish fulfillment.

im literally quoting the image

All forms of entertainment are valid, but that will not stop me from reaming them for being shallow piles of shit.
>isekai into mmorpg
>MC is overpowered
>party is all-female
>plot goes nowhere
>nobody advances as a character, or worse, characters become infinitely worse once they join the harem
>mc has no personality
You probably thought of at least 5 different anime based on just that. I have nothing wrong with wish-fulfillment, but when that's all it has going for it, it has no reason to exist beyond regurgitating the EXACT same content with barely a change in the paint job.

Nah. Self-insertion is for pussies who lack imagination.

Yeah but my self inserting harem anime is better than yours

Being able to sympathise with a character, and being completely engrossed by them and their life to the point where your happiness depends on their success are two completely different beasts.

>Self inserting means that you have empathy.
It'd be nice if more people had more empathy, yo. For example: All Politicians.

I don't mock virgins, losers, et al for fun. I'd end up in the same situation one of these days. Or, I've been where they've been.

I mock them because they don't fight back. Anybody who takes the shit he gets will end up taking it forever.

>being completely engrossed by them and their life to the point where your happiness depends on their success
Aside from the rare poor guys who destroy their Blu-Rays when their waifus get a canon boyfriend, who actually does that?
>I mock them because they don't fight back.
What, so you want to see more school shootings? That's kinda fucked, user.

>What, so you want to see more school shootings?

No. I want my people to stop digging through garbage for the rest of their lives. Nothing good comes from out of garbage. So yeah.

>says the guy posting on Zig Forums
lmao stop being a small dicked self-righteous projecting cunt and fuck off

Who's your people? Whites? Retro anime connoisseurs? How does this have to do with losers fighting back?

>everything is wish fulfillment
>everyone is Jesus in purgatory
>everything is sexual innuendo

Look, I can do this too

If someone does not desire wish fulfillment than they would never write fiction. That's a simple fact.

I agree with your opinion.

People who self-insert? What kind of dumb question is that?