There is no such thing as "soft seinen". There is only shonen and seinen.
Shonen manga and seinen manga aren't genres. They're demographics.
Shonen manga is manga geared primarily towards young males aged 12-18. Seinen manga is manga geared towards men aged 18 and upwards.
If a manga is published in a shonen manga magazine, it's a shonen manga. If it's published in a seinen manga magazine, it's a seinen manga.
The term "soft seinen" is a meme made up by pretentious insecure retards who want the shonen manga series that they follow to be seen as more mature when in reality it doesn't even fucking matter.
Devilman, Rurouni Kenshin, Death Note, Fist of the North Star, and tons of other shonen manga feature mature content and dark subject material, but are still classified and acknowledged by their fanbase as shonen manga as they were published in magazines geared towards said demographic.
Fans of said series know that despite their series being classified as shonen that the series they follow are still taken seriously and explore adult themes while staying true to catering towards their target demographic.
Those who use the term "soft seinen" are insecure faggots desperate to convince others that their series is a mature work of art when in reality they have no idea what the fuck they're talking about. Otherwise they're just shitposting.
tl;dr: Only shonen and seinen exist. Soft seinen is a meme. Fuck off and stop being retarded.
Its a shame that you wrote your post in this format because your right. But if anybody disagrees with your post they're just gonna disregard it with "reddit spacing" and not address anything else
Nicholas Morales
Capped. Post this in every thread whenever some retard uses the term "soft seinen".
And you believe that every publisher actually chooses its demographics so strictly?
Wasn't 35% of Young Jump readers female or something to begin with?
Watasino Syounen switched from some adult female magazine to an adult male magazine half way through it's run, both were owned by the same publisher.
These demographics are useless and an oversimplification of how actual marketing works. You can bet your butt that during the marketing of Ao Can't Study they made sure to reach potential female readers as well, even though it was published in a “syounen” magazine.
Joshua Flores
That only works if shonen magazines always and only pick stuff geared only towards kids and seinen magazines only and always pick stuff geared only towards adults, with abbsolutely no overlap between the two. Really there's stuff that could reasonably appeal to both to and which would fit fine in magazines aimed at either demographic. That means what gets called "shonen" and "seinen" would have just as much to do with what magazine secured the deal rather than anything to with the actual work or who the artists intended to aim it at.
You're right that "soft seinen" is a silly phrase, but I just don't think the distinction between what works are for whom is as clear as you make out.
Nathaniel Evans
Hazimete Isayama of Attack on Titan did say that he sent it to both types and he simply took the best deal offered.
Originally the magazine even requæsted that he turn down the gore, but he refused to do that.
Michael Phillips
>And you believe that every publisher actually chooses its demographics so strictly? Did he say that? >These demographics are useless and an oversimplification of how actual marketing works. I'm pretty sure everybody is aware of that.
What an utterly pointless thread. >I have a screenshot of somebody saying [thing]. That's all the proof we're gonna need.
Nothing will be solved by this thread. At best you're going to attract a few shitposters here and then you can have the same old argument over again, and then have it again in some HxH thread later. Except this thread violates the rules, and you used the wrong blue hue for the OP. This shit rubs my autism the wrong way.
Angel Reed
I said that it's PRIMARILY marketed to said demographics. Not EXCLUSIVELY.
Justin Jones
Target demographic and actual reading demographic are different things. Just because adult men watch MLP doesn't mean it's a show for adult men. The same is true for manga in WSJ.
You're right, the content of a manga has little to do with whether it's shonen or seinen or something else. Which is why people using the terms so much on here are stupid. But the terms have become narrower on Zig Forums, so when someone says "shonen" they mean battle shonen and when someone says "seinen" they mean series like Berserk or Vinland Saga.
>Calls out others for being insecure >is insecure enough to make a thread to address a meme-term used ironically to shit on wan pissers Imagine being this retarded and autistic.
>a meme-term It's not. >Copying Hunterchad OC instead of making your own Pathetic.
Samuel Campbell
>It's not. It is
Elijah Evans
This is what Pissdrinkers and Huntermumblers ACTUALLY believe...
Xavier Gray
>It is It's not.
Justin Davis
>meme-term used ironically The problem is that retards are now using this term seriously.
Joshua Perry
>It's not. it is
Hudson Richardson
>it is It's not.
Jaxson Morales
Sure, there's some shitposters who might be trolling, however there's still a lot of people who take it literally and use it to make their series look more philosophical
Adrian Cruz
>a meme-term used ironically Time to post this meme again!
There's obviously two meanings to the word in vernacular, retard. One is the demographic and the other is a distinct and very prevalent type of genre that's essentially the hero's journey on crack. You're a moron if you think the usage of the word shounen is only applied to the former
both are trash. Slice of life, romantic comedy, and cute girls doing cute things are the reason that anime exists.
Juan Turner
>There is no such thing as "soft seinen". There is only shonen and seinen.
>Shonen manga and seinen manga aren't genres. They're demographics.
>Shonen manga is manga geared primarily towards young males aged 12-18. Seinen manga is manga geared towards men aged 18 and upwards.
>If a manga is published in a shonen manga magazine, it's a shonen manga. If it's published in a seinen manga magazine, it's a seinen manga.
>The term "soft seinen" is a meme made up by pretentious insecure retards who want the shonen manga series that they follow to be seen as more mature when in reality it doesn't even fucking matter.
>Devilman, Rurouni Kenshin, Death Note, Fist of the North Star, and tons of other shonen manga feature mature content and dark subject material, but are still classified and acknowledged by their fanbase as shonen manga as they were published in magazines geared towards said demographic.
>Fans of said series know that despite their series being classified as shonen that the series they follow are still taken seriously and explore adult themes while staying true to catering towards their target demographic.
>Those who use the term "soft seinen" are insecure faggots desperate to convince others that their series is a mature work of art when in reality they have no idea what the fuck they're talking about. Otherwise they're just shitposting.
>tl;dr: Only shonen and seinen exist. Soft seinen is a meme. Fuck off and stop being retarded.
Who cares? It is boggling that you guys are so emotionally and intellectually invested in a genre that is geared towards a demographic you don't belong to. Why use series such as HxH or Naruto as your standard of comparison, if the only thing you will get out of it is greatly exaggerate the merits of series which are not meant to be complex? I mean, sure, HxH and Naruto are great if you compare them to gag manga, but that doesn't add any intellectual content onto the series themselves...
Jack James
It is primarily used by huntards to stroke their ego anyway. The only franchise that WOULD qualify for "soft seinen" if it were even a concept would be Dragon Ball.