Being a hero of justice is impossible

Or if you had paid attention to what was said in the VN you would have known that the grail that appears in Fuyuki can only grant wishes by bringing destruction.

Context is always needed for this type of discussion because this sort of morality is always subjective and temporally limited (the limits of his world (grail existing = killing people for a deus ex machina is morally correct) and area where the morality is going to take place in (series took place in modern city with innocents as opposed to war-torn country riddled with child soldiers)

His main problem is himself, same with EMIYA, which I think is the whole point of it - exposing the whole notion of a 'hero' as ridiculous and requiring some level of insanity. The particular quote you have used I think is just a cope he is using to relieve his guilt and failure, he was always right and those who think otherwise are brainlets (wanting a magical solution to world strife is childish - wanting a magical solution to world strife in a world where its actually feasible is competent)

It's because he's a broken traumatized child with a childlike view of utilitarian justice.

The grail literally deconstructs his philosophy and shows it for the mistake it is i don't get why people think he's meant to be right.

here's a skit explanation that your low IQ brain might be able to understand
youtube.com/watch?v=E9vhM6yvdrc

How did the grail deconstruct his philosophy what was he suppose to save less people?

>a hero or ally of justice
That's the nip equivalent of superhero

The deconstruction was that if you “kill the few to save the many” you’re eventually going to kill more people than you save.
Like the stupid boat scenario. 500 vs 300 on two boats. Kill the 300.
500 splits into 300 and 200, kill the 200.
You’ve now killed 500 to save 300. Oops?

Shirou could have saved more lives if Kiritsugu had taught him the proper way to use his circuits. As far as I'm concerned, the lives that Shirou couldn't save are all on Kiritsugu.

Zero would have been way better without this emo manchild.

It's impossible to be a hero of justice because the world doesn't work on the level of logic that a toku show does. It is possible to uphold one's personal morality, the laws of a community, or the laws of a nation. Kirei was an ally of Gil's justice, as he wanted that golden cock bad enough to follow whatever Gil said.

The second bit is so obvious and pointless it doesn't even merit discussing.

Why do people get so triggered about this? Is it because they're so weak they don't even understand how strength works?

Modern asymmetric warfare relies on martyrdom as a way to galvanize a smaller force against a bigger one. If you kill someone and aren't thorough enough to make sure nobody else comes for you, you will eventually be removed by a bigger fish. Most modern codes of law will arrest and jail you for killing even if the action is justifiable. Revenge doesn't even make you feel better, you just feel hollow after, like a depressing fap session.

>being a hero of justice is impossible
It's possible. Godjuna recreated the world only to purge all evil but in doing so he became what he despised. Technically he DID manage to save everybody

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>kill 500
>300 splits into 200 and 100, kill 100
Looks worst

>The deconstruction was that if you “kill the few to save the many” you’re eventually going to kill more people than you save.
Not necessarily since most problems won't iterate like that, but that's not even the a wrong course of action if those are your only options and you want to maximize the amount of survivors, since you don't actually know they're going to fuck up another 2 boats immediately afterward

Just save everyone anyway.

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>world famous hitman and grail war winner got mindfucked by the basic concept of moral relativity
This is what fatefags consider """""""""""""'complex writing""""""""""""""

And no, there are no relatively better and worse morals, there are only winners and losers which can be determined by things that have nothing to do with your morality. While you die alone as a virgin there are child rapists who got a devoted wife and children out of their actions.

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samurai flamenco could do it

Does this make you sound any less like a child?

>by the basic concept of moral relativity
I don't exactly see a problem there. Does it somehow stop being a moral problem and become a mathematical equation by just being simple?

What "it" are you referring to? Moral problems can't exist because morals don't exist. Kiritsugu's character arc is literally about a grown-ass middle aged family man being the goodest boy all year and then finding out Santa isn't real.

>moral doesn't exist
Okay.

¿Que es lo que hace un taxista seduciendo a la vida? ¿que es lo que hace un taxista construyendo una herida?

I never understood why the grail brought up this kind deconstruction. It feels especially morphed to win an argument that wasn’t even the topic. Like something Trump would say in an argument.
Kiritsugu:"just kill all the bad guys, or turn everyone good, idk ..."
The grail ( Trump ):"jeah, but what if you put 300 people in one boat and 200 in another ... "
Kiritsugu:"okay listen you little shit."