Animators are far more talented and important than seyuis, why don't they get as much love?

Perhaps he went to Gobelins in which case he would probably be more skilled than most Nip animators.

>Animator superstars are more visible than Seyuu superstars
Yeah, no. Wasted quads.

How is it possible than on the 21st there's still people that don't understand how a fucking market functions?

The labour market is a market like any other, and the good being traded is man-force, work-hours, time of a workerj that owns a particular skill.

The price of labour is set by SUPPLY and DEMAND of that labour, NOT BY ITS PRODUCT, NOT BY ITS BENEFITS, but mere SUPPLY and DEMAND.

Even if animators are the most important job in the industry, if there are too many of them they're going to get paid shit because supply is too high.

And that's the problem: there's a metric fuckton of animators in SEA that work for 4 pennies.

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Only people who care about Hanazawa are cumbrain pedos, Nakamura is a lot more talented and prolific than that whore.

>Even if animators are the most important job in the industry, if there are too many of them
But there aren't. That's why you see more and more anime filled with CGI shit. The problem here is that animators can't stand up for themselves and demand fair wages, because they're spineless nerd who would work for free out of love for the medium.

It was a rhetorical question, i even answered it myself . there is no demand for skilled animators because people are content with garbage.

so, they are retarded.
Then totally deserved.

Even if people started paying double for anime, buying merch in droves and doubling studio profits, that wouldn't translate in a wage raise to the animators as long as they remain oversupplied. Just look at how productivity in USA has been rising for decades while wages have stagnated.

There are a metric crapton. You see more and more CGI because its faster.

There is an oversuppy of shit animators, not good ones ! the proble is that people don't recognize good animation from bad animation.

they're slaves, not commodities

Seiyuu literally represent the characters they voice in real life. That's why it's such a big deal when a popular seiyuu dies, because the characters they voice will never return or at least are not the same anymore. An animator can create hundreds of hours worth of animation and be amazing at it, but it's still not as important as voice acting is when it comes to creating a character that people relate to. There's a reason people still read visual novels and listen to drama CDs, they only need the voice and a script to bring a still drawing to life.

>The price of labour is set by SUPPLY and DEMAND
This is high school level economics. The supply and demand model is actually oversimplification of the reality and is wrong more often than you'd believe. Sport cars and other high end luxury goods are not mega expensive because there is too much demand for it. Most of them are super expensive because :
1- Each unit costs too much to build, so the manufacturers cannot afford to sell them cheap, unless it's a confirmed failure and they attempt to lessen the impact of the losses.
2- The people who can afford to buy them prefer the most expensive things, because they are that snobbish. So the manufacturers set the prices high regardless of their supplies, because in this case the price controls the demand rather than the opposite.
But the labour market is different. Getting work is a "necessity". So depending on the sector/industry, the worker might be unable to get work if he's too expensive, even if the demand for his competence is high (rather than the opposite).
What about the Japanese animation industry? For starters, there are not enough animators in the industry, much less good animators.
By your logic, the Japanese animators could price themselves higher and still get a job. But they can't, because the studios would rather search abroad than pay locally expensive animators. That's where the rest of SEA enters into play. But even the entirety of the SEA animators aren't enough to reasonably satisfy Japan's demand. So why don't they make themselves collectively more expensive? Because the industry would be too poor to pay them all, so only some animators will get work based on that model. And of course, the industry will choose the cheapest ones. So paradoxically, the animators are competing between themselves to work for a low price. They are okay to work for a cup of ramen because their customer is a niche industry, but they still want to make a living by working for that poor ass industry.

Nothing of that disproves the seminal importance of supply and demand, you're just extending it with the concepts of marginalism and elasticity.

whoa... when have I seen this thread before??

waifufaggotry and absolute mental creeps that follow shit like celebs and idols
Animators dream of animating and can be replaced like actors or musicians, voicesluts print cash nearly as hard as pedobait.

This is the retarded part about Seiyuu fellation, people just pretend the seiyuu is their favorite character and follow them blindly because of it. The funny thing is the seiyuu did basically none of the things that make most people like the character. The seiyuu didn't design the character, the seiyuu didn't write the scenes the character was in, or the dialogue the character would speak, nor did the seiyuu animate the action scenes that make the character look cool. And face it, if everything about your favorite character was the same except their voice was different you'd still like them just as much. Seiyuu's do nothing to make you like a character yet represent the character because they speak for it

>Because voice actors are in a much more visible position.
this is a symptom, not the cause

If the seiyuu has an attractive voice then I'll check out other series they're in, because I like attractive characters. Ofc not every seiyuu is worth following no matter how hard they try and how skilled they are, some just have a cool unique voice that makes the character better just by being cast for the role.

Are you talking about the seiyuus, the animators, or the fans?

shit general for crossboarders

>in animation school
Lmao

this is otaku cancer manifesting in your brain, you can't seperate anime from anime culture you probably follow idol groups, buy figurines, and consume Japanese media exclusively, you're a philistine.

Western celeb scene is infinitely more cancerous than Asian idol scene though. Imagine defending Hollywood actors who can't stop virtue signalling and living like billionaire pigs. At least Asian celebs usually try to give a normal, approachable impression and act as good examples for their fans.

>That's why you see more and more anime filled with CGI shit.

no, you see more cgi because it is cheapet

>Western celeb scene is infinitely more cancerous than Asian idol scene though

they are About the same level of cancer.

It's a cancer that doesn't kill and makes me happy, so idgaf

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what the actual FUCJk does this goon itt actually think adding the word "metric" in each and every sentence would make it sound more... dramatic or what? What the fuck it's actually the most stupid habit I've ever seen in my life

I'm not saying the concept of supply and demand is inherently wrong. I'm saying it's dumb to think it answers everything.
And as a matter of fact, the concept of elasticity is a massive cope and a last resort to prove that the theory still mathematically works even if it is shaken at its core, by saying that some goods and services happen to have inelastic (it doesn't work) or negative (it's the complete opposite) proprieties.
Anyway, if you want to keep using the supply demand approach then you need to revise you model since it's more accurate for you to say that the demanders are the animators and the suppliers are the industries. And the animators have a salary inelastic need for work with a high marginal preference for works in the animation industry compared to other industries.

You are right that demand and supply does not explain everything but the two examples you gave do not show that. Demand = the price people are willing to pay (rich people will pay more), and supply = the price people are willing to sell for (so obviously they take production cost into account)

here's another awful post for your awful thread

>makes me happy

so you think, one day eventually you will outgrow this phase.

That's not true. JP animation industry is actually starved for talent, spend time in sakuga spaces and sometimes you'll see production assistants wander in and beg if they have any contacts with free animators or companies. JP animation runs out most of its talent when they're still inbetweeners, effectively killing off its talent supply. All the studios are booked for years and years, SEA included, and anime hasn't been able to expand its talent pool because, again, running out new inbetweeners.

That's possible. So?

i fon't really have an arguement.

>supply = the price people are willing to sell for
Why are you even trying? It's clear to see you have no idea what you are even talking about.

because they're disgusting creepy virgins just like (You)