Protagonist: I don't care about this complicated stuff, I just know that I have to stop you!

He brings up legitimate points, but then the story in those issues just makes him cartoonishly evil (turning his new followers into suicide bombers for example) and everything is resolved by him getting beaten up by Captain America.

>expecting moral ambiguity from the west
There's no "my justice" in western fiction. There's only the author's (CEO's) justice.

What you want is already right, even if it's wrong.

>"dude I don't fucking care about your backstory... die..."

These kinds of characters seem really forced to me now. If a character isn't the type to negotiate then it'd make more sense for them to just attack without saying anything.

Are there any MCs that take their 'I will save everyone' autism to the logical conclusion of 'even you villain'?

you just wanna make sure they aren't leading into "...and thats why I rigged myself with a deadman switch that will kill your mother in her sleep tonight if you attack me" or some shit

>You have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me, you have a right to do that, but you have no right to judge me
Any villains with these feel?

thats the whole point
he doesn't believe any of it, he's a red skull supremacist beyond anything else and uses convincing arguments to trick people into think he's after anything of any real substance than just becoming dictator of the world.
y'know, like your average corrupt politician

Valentine is pretty close to what you're describing, give or take some of his more scummy actions both him and Johnny agree that he's the more moral actor in their conflict.

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>defending a Nazi as an example of a "villain having a point"
>on Zig Forums

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>Protagonnist never meets the antagonist

Yes? What's the problem?

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Yes, quite a lot of them, in fact. But they're mainly in western fiction (ie:superheroes)

The reasonable villain actually not being reasonable is a hack cliche that's ubiquitous in the west though, it's not interesting at all because it dumbs down the conflict while not bothering to address the conflict that was initially presented, and they use it all the fucking time because the west is severely allergic to moral-relativist themes. Any time an author wants to be topical without actually reading into a topic, they use that exact trope.

Even a crooked politician actually has an end they're crooked toward. Just look at LotGH's portrayal of politics. Red Skull is just extremely shallow in comparison.

Touma from Index is pretty much the epitome of that form of autism

The nice thing about Shana is that everyone actuallly submitted to Yuij/Snake Nigga in the end. And everyone was better off for it.

The final fight in Shana wasn't one that involved the greater stakes of the plot (because the "villain" already won at this point) but rather, a personal one between Shana and Yuji. It's why I think Shana and Yuji's development as couple is still one of the best romances in anime despite the adaptation actually cutting out a lot of the fluff and worldbuilding in the original novels.

>protagonist never makes an appearance in their own anime

How does a lazy ass teenager manage to become as holier-than-though as Touma?

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Name one anime

Yuru yuri?

Danshi Kousei Nichijou

Ringo AKA Tadakuni got at least a couple scenes.