All I ever did was posting online every week about how it sucks, but when the new episode or chapter is out I will always be there for to stream it or read it for free, but I considered it my favorite series.
I don't contribute money though. Am I a true fan?
>I will always be there for to stream it or read it for free
Nothing technically wrong with that but don't pretend you actually care about the series when you're pirating. You're not a "true fan", no.
>Am I a true fan?
Who cares unless you're getting in some kind of dick measuring contest with someone else who likes the same thing?
Fuck this bullshit. You've got no obligation to spend money on anything. It might make me sound like a hippie, but no, you should not feel guilt-tripped into giving big corporations money. Only buy things if you want something. I'm sure fucking Toei, or Bandai, or whatever, are gonna keep on chugging along just fine.
Absolutely not.
Did you even read my post you dumbass? I said there's nothing technically wrong with it but saying you're a "true fan" while at the same time harming the series by promoting piracy is just dumb as shit.
It's all about feeling dude.
Yeah, and I'm saying arguing bullshit about being a "true fan" cause you don't toss money at a product is dumb. You can love something no matter how much of a monetary investment you make. That's some fucking corporate brainwashing to think otherwise.
Nigger this isn't a fucking corporation lmao, most mangakas work their asses off to get serialized and to maintain their serialization. If you're promoting piracy of his or her manga you're practically stealing his money.
Now, I don't give a shit if you're some le edgy kid who thinks this is based but pretending you appreciate his work is stupid as fuck. Its like saying you're the biggest fan of some street artist while at the same time you steal his paintings and sell it in the blackmarket.
Nah bro. You're creating some No True Scotsman bullshit. There is absolutely NO monetary barrier to be a "fan" of something. If you enjoy something, you're a fan of it. Doesn't matter if you paid.
Yea everyone in a creative profession would be fucked if every fan thought like you.
>If you enjoy something, you're a fan of it.
Bull fucking shit. People mildly enjoy bunch of things that doesn't mean they're "fans" of it.
I enjoy alcohol and coke once a month that doesn't mean I'm a fan of it.
I'm in a creative profession. Shit, I'm in music, the thing that started the big piracy scare. You can argue if pirating makes you a good person, but no. If you read your little mango and you like it, guess what? You're a fan.
OP says he consistently watches and reads his stuff every week. It's not like he's catching it randomly on TV after work. There's some level of investment there, even if he's not paying.
That's just a normal fan, when someone says "true fan" you would at least think the man appreciates the work. Promoting the stealing of the author's money is the opposite of that. You're pretending to appreciate it.
Again, you're creating some kind of invisible barrier that's framed around money. How many kids write hundreds of thousands of words of fanfiction, and draw fanart, but never drop a penny on anything? They just stream their shows through pirating sites. These people can be fucking obsessive. Talking about "ships," and getting in "fandom wars." They're more fans than I would ever /want/ to be.
I buy manga, but not necessarily with the intent to support the author, I just like the feeling of holding a physical tank in my hand. Also, the art tends to look better on paper than digital.
Like, when I was a kid, it was always "Naruto vs Bleach vs One Piece," but we all downloaded our shit through Dattebayo, and Kaizoku Fansubs. Shit, in the case of One Piece, buying stuff made you a "bad" fan, cause you were supporting 4kids.
No you're not. Fans support what they like. If you're a musician with a following, fans will buy your music because they want to support you so you can keep making the music they enjoy. If there's a fresh new manga and fans want it to keep being serialized, they go out and buy the volumes. If fans want their favorite creator to be able to have more time to work on their creative stuff and make them better, they financially support the creator so he can produce that stuff for a living.
Again, you're creating some false bullshit and trying to add morals into the mix. I'm not arguing whether or not pirating is good, but it doesn't make a difference on whether or not you're a fan. Enjoying something has nothing to do with money. That is fucking blind consumer crap, lmao.
>Enjoying something has nothing to do with money.
And this is more than just enjoying it you dumb fuck. When you say you're a "TRUE FAN" you do more than just enjoy the story and follow the works.
>muh consoomer plebbit meme
Enjoy being a parasite that leeches on other people's willingness to support creators.
There's no fucking definition for a "true fan." It's a ethereal term you're arguing that somehow means you need to throw money into the mix. If you like something, you like it. You gonna get into a time machine, and lecture 13 year old me, and say his enjoyment of watching Luffy beat the shit out of Crocodile wasn't "real," because he didn't throw his allowance at Toei?
Dude, I have paid more for certain things, that would probably make your jaw drop if you saw the number we're talking about. Let's just say Spitfire Audio probably owes me a nice night out to dinner.
Listen kid, if you risk your favorite author's subsistence by pirating his works (which you obviously do) then you have no right to call yourself a fan. You are nothing more than a hypocrite who lives in his own world full of lies. Being a fan means not backstabbing your favorite author by stealing his money he rightfully earned.
There's no definition at all like that.
>Haha, funny rubber stretchy man go gomu gomu
Mr. Green Text right there is fan. No matter the money.
Look. There's nothing wrong with not paying money or buying his works. But pirating it just harming his story or what he works his ass for.
Its not that you're not contributing anything, its that you're harming the mangaka and his works by promoting piracy.
Again, I'm not talking morals. I don't think pirating is good. But does that stop you from being a fan? Fuck no. Cause kid me barely paid shit for anything. Cause kid me didn't have shit anything to pay with. I still watched stuff though. I still read stuff, though. And I liked them all no matter what someone wants to grandstand to me about.
What about authors who upload stuff to twitter and don't give us a way to support him, am I therefore unable to become a true fan of his? Does he not have true fans, regardless of how fanatically they follow his every upload?
>But does that stop you from being a fan? Fuck no.
Yes.
Can you say you're the fan of a street musician while stealing money from his hat? No.
>What about authors who upload stuff to twitter and don't give us a way to support him
Then it ain't fucking piracy.
Sure I can, cause if you're making completely unsubstantiated definitions of what it means to be a "fan," then I can too. And I say you can be a fan no matter how much money you throw at a product.
The fact that you spend all your time shit posting that it sucks is more of a problem than you not paying for it, really.
I'm a fan of this homeless street drummer but I'm not gonna tip him and just watch him starve day by day as I stop by to listen to his music.
How is pirating episodes stealing? I get that streaming over let's say YouTube gives someone else money through advertisement. But that's not me spending my money on the pirated stuff. Even less me taking money away from the author itself.
Torrenting is no different from me searching for manga in the dumpster.
That probably makes you a bad person. But hey, you're still enjoying his music. Coming to say it daily, apparently! I'm sure he appreciates that in some capacity no matter what. :)
After he dies of starvation, I'll no longer be able to listen and watch his performance but at least he died knowing someone that liked his music could've pitched in but chose not to. I'm a true fan.
there's a conflation between "true" fan and fiscally supportive fan that's making discourse in this thread impossible
Look up the definition of fan. Where in it does it mention you need to even spend a dime on something? Is giving money to something you like a good thing? Sure! But the chemicals in your brain telling you you like something are not blocked until your throw pieces of paper at it.
Idk why you addressed this at me
>He doesn't buy countless useless trinkets that not only waste space but are a physical reminder of wasted money
I'm just saying my piece. The same piece I've been saying all thread. Pirating ain't probably good. Supporting creators is good. The inherent idea of liking something though has no regimented accepted framework. You don't have to pay a dollar to chuckle at a joke.
In most cases I'd agree but I absolutely do not expect anyone to sink thousands of dollars into owning One Piece. The dude should just buy a figure or something.
Meant for the guy he was responding to but whatever.