Tsundere

What is so appealing about this archetype?

Or for the haters, why do you hate them?

If anyone wants to name a best tsundere, go for it

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>What is so appealing about this archetype?
mommy issues

Because everyone wants to tame the alpha bitch, so her honey is always for you. Everyone wants the ice queen who is a complete bitch to everyone else EXCEPT you, because it means you have power over her.
That, or you genuinely believe she's a nice girl inside. But there's a word for those guys: suckers.

Because insecure losers want to believe that any girl that openly hates them actually secretly loves them

you already posted one of the best

>What is so appealing about this archetype?
Gap moe.

Because tsunderes would be treated like the unironic schizos that they are IRL. Spare me that bipolar shit, I actually had an ex with bipolar disorder (she got diagnosed a while after we broke up, heard it from a mutual). Worst relationship I've ever been in. Not worth it at all. Tsunderes are mentally ill and the anons that worship them never dated bipolar bitches.

For me its Iori

>Everyone wants the ice queen who is a complete bitch to everyone else EXCEPT you, because it means you have power over her.
Isn't it more generally the case that tsundere's act like a bitch exclusively to the dude they're into? What you're describing is certainly an archetype, but I don't think it's the dominant one, or even a particularly common one.

4pbp

>Or for the haters, why do you hate them?
They're assholes and they near-universally never apologize for being assholes. It's always treated like the responsibility of the MC to "understand her feelings" or whatever and never her responsibility not to be a trash person. Sometimes their behavior is "justified" by some backstory or other but the justification is either too weak or the rude behavior is simply out of proportion with the justification. I don't find anything charming about this.

>If anyone wants to name a best tsundere, go for it
Li Syaoran.

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The only tsundere that matters

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>why do you hate them?
they are sluts and suck dicks for money behind your back

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This. There's a reason tsundere only works in fiction. Because anyone who actually enjoys this kind of personality IRL is either a massively-deluded cuck or mentally ill themselves.

Its the inherent embarrassment of the girl that goes with the trope. They can't be honest with their feelings but when pushed they crumble. Also this Nobody would want to deal with that shit IRL.

bipolar chicks and tsundere are different behaviours for different reasons.

also: you confuse schizophrenia with multiple personality disorder, which, again is completely different from tsundere.

schizophrenia is the one with hearing voices in your head and thinking you're being under surveillance by the government and they've planted tech in your anus and everybody's in on the conspiricy. (variables apply)

so let's conclude: you have no idea what you're talking about and you've never had a girlfriend and are indeed a kissless virgin

>you have no idea what you're talking about and you've never had a girlfriend and are indeed a kissless virgin
so much projection....

>no argument
I win

Based projectingincelchad

Too much dere. Not enough tsun.

Why are people acting like tsundere means bipolar or schizo?

because they don't know what those words mean

senjougahara is the only tsundere i liked

not enough dere because stupid okabe have tsundere too

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what? she is a perfect example of realistic tsundere.

Because they themselves suffer those issues

I hate it because it’s an archetype. If you can sum up a character with -dere they’re probably a shitty cookie cutter character. You could literally replace them with any other archetypal character in the same genre because they usually have no personality beyond the same cliches that have been tired for 30 years

>What is so appealing about this archetype?
>Or for the haters, why do you hate them?
really depends on the type of tsundere. there are good and shit ones.
>the bad ones
constantly behave like someone pissed in their cornflakes
never warm up to the mc
belittle or berate the mc at every occasion for no reason at all
entitled as fuck
pretty much the bipolar retards who are already mentioned ITT
deserve to bite the bullet or end up as the bitter cat-ladys they have always been
>the good ones
have a reason to be bitchy, most likely because people are retarded
nag and bitch to help people improve
cease the nagging at some point and let the dere fully take over
they're honest and tell you when things are wrong and help you fix it
they're a sweet miracle and deserve to bear a family of little miracles to raise together

Pretty much this

classic tsundere a best. modern tsundere a shit

now you got me thinking
what other kind of dere could you have that aren't yet a recognized archetpe
GARdere perhaps? ahodere?

Any good examples of tsundere other than Rin Tohsaka and Makise Kurisutina?

this snek

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or this shinigami
why is this series never discussed here though?

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Here's a classic example

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He said good examples.