The concept of Talk no Jutsu is great, and Naruto/Obito instance is the prime example of it

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Obito killed millions of innocents and he's just suppossed to be forgiven because he's the coolest guy

I agree! He was the coolest guy!

Kill yourself naruto spammer.

>TnJ

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Yet again, its just a fr worse version of what happened with Nagato

Obito is just a worse Nagato

Yeah high speech based characters are pretty fucking based.

It is a well known fact that Talk no jutsu is so important in Naruto because talk therapy helped Kishimoto when he was depressed.
Now what could that possibly tell us about the personality of other big shonen authors?

Unironically consider him the coolest guy, despite commiting several crimes.

I would be okay with talk no jutsu if Naruto actually said really impactful and incisive things. The problem is that most of the time he just say shallow shit about "hope" and "believe in me" or whatever the fuck. Take the Pain fight for example. Pain spent like five minutes describing his ideology and Naruto's response was "I'm not sure how I'm gonna do it but I'm going to make everything better, just don't worry about it and trust me" and Nagato simply just accepted it.

The difference between Pain and Obito is that Nagato was on his path for what his life experiences lead him to believe was the greater good. He was rather selfless even if he had gone down the wrong path.
Obito was doing what he was doing for entirely selfish reasons. He wanted escapism because his childhood crush died and he could never move on.

While shallow on Naruto's part, I can at least buy into him wanting that same hope deep down. Nothing about the Obito stuff worked though.

I like and dislile it at the same time. Loved the fact that Naruto didn't have a concrete answer straight away (because it's fucking hard to come up with something meaningful), but I can see why many were dissapointed with his overall answer.

Yeah, though I have a hard time thinking of anything concrete Naruto could have said. I guess I would have liked it if Naruto talked about more on the lines of generational development and culture, and how even if things go wrong again with his time, someone else will rise up to improve shit as long as you spread the culture and teachings from people like Jiraiya. Would have made for a sort of clash between wanting to fix the world through antagonistic and quick means vs taking the long road and having faith.

>killed millions of innocents
What the fuck are you talking about?

>spent 20 years tirelessly pursuing his plan killing countless people including his mentor
>gets talked out of in 5 minutes by some kid because 'it's bad'
lmao no

Naruto's actions are what demonstrates that he is worth believing in to the people he talks to. You would be right about that scene if what happened was Naruto just strolled into the Rain village, sat down with Nagato, and rolled a persuasion check.
What lends credence to Naruto's words is his actions leading up to that moment. He defeats Pain in battle, saving his village, and then chooses not to kill Nagato in revenge despite being enraged at his own friends he's just lost. The unique shared history with Jiraiya and Naruto's ideological and personality resemblance to Yahiko also influences the outcome in Nagato's mind.
Its not about the "argument" Naruto makes and never will be.

Wrong, Obito wasn't going to revive Rin nor was he going to put himself in the dream world. He was doing it to save the world, Rin's fate was just a symptom of the world that needed fixing.

Speedreaders, I swear.

TnJ is great, if you don't like it you got filtered by Naruto of all things. Lots of Naruto is shit, but TnJ isn't.

No, TnJ is shit, and Kishimoto is a hack

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The only time it was good was with Zabuza.

Is there a single better still image from the Naruto franchise than this?

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It's hilarious that the power to see Rin again was within him the entire time.

What about Gaara? He's one of the best characters in the series because of his character development. And the pivotal moment of it was the tnj.

Regardless, I'm sure Obito would have turned good the moment he learned Madara was behind all that bullshit the whole entire time. (Rin's death and the boulder)

His change was too jarring. If it was more gradual it would have been alright.

>Artificial character growth through stilted dialogue and exposition
>Great

Eh, I can personally excuse it because Naruto was literally the first person since Yashamaru to show him any kindness and was the very first person to empathize with him. Deep down Gaara was a good person, he was just pushed to extremes by the circumstances of his life.

It helps a lot

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Very accurate. I would imagine the book of jiraiya also inspired him into it.

Unironically he was pretty cool though

>millions

>I know that you killed millions including my parents and tried to kill me and my friends...but i'm going to forgive you because you're the coolest guy! WAKU WAKU!

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