How important should teamwork be in a shonen? Black Clover does this well but it's not talked about that often, is teamwork actually not important or do people just not care? In a lot of popular shonen the MC can usually handle major threats alone so I'm beginning to wonder if there's some sort of correlation.
How important should teamwork be in a shonen? Black Clover does this well but it's not talked about that often...
Mason Lee
Jason Fisher
>How important should teamwork be in a shonen?
Should specify battle shounen. But it really isn't important if the power levels are pretty balanced, and the cast isn't bloated. Teamwork/Team Battles is a good way to keep fights fresh, showcase dynamics between characters, and establish relationships.
I don't know if people particularly care about stuff like that, but even in popular battle shounen especially these days the MC usually doesn't handle the major threat alone.
Ethan Rodriguez
>Black Clover does this well
Nathan King
Correct, it even shat on Heart's dumb power level system and showed that even the bad guys do do things alone
Kevin Thomas
That picture doesn't disprove what OP said.
Chase Turner
Realistically, in a fantasy world with mysterious forms of power, some of them esoteric as shit, you'd definitely want to have a crew with complimenting/utility/defensive powers to help you.
In a shounen? None of that matters. If you're the main character you can just barge smack into the bad guy's army and end up winning somehow. Stakes don't mean shit. The only current exceptions to this are Jujutsu Kaisen, and maybe Chainsawman, but Chainsaw's special in that you expect all the characters to die anyway, so there's not a lot of stakes there.
Josiah Green
I do like teamwork but does it have its place in a shonen, especially a battle shonen ?
Those always had powerfull MC that steal the show. Sure, they have a band of friends / ally that can fight but the MC will always deliver the final blow / transformation / power up whatever.
As soon as you introduce a powerfull character, teams are boring.
Jayden Jenkins
Diamond Kingdom are all weak, apart from Mars.
Jace Reyes
Why should every battle shonen be the same? You can write good fights with or without teamwork. You can write shit fight with or without teamwork as well. "Teamwork" isn't some kind of cheatcode to suddenly up the quality of a fight. The quality comes from the execution, not which elements are involved. DB(Z) almost has no team fights at all, and it's still one of the best manga for fighting choreography.
James Watson
This is true, but Goku vs Vegeta was a team fight and I still think it's one of the best fights in the franchise.
Wyatt Jenkins
Indeed, it's iconic for a reason.
Brandon Ramirez
>How important should teamwork be in a shonen?
None at all
>Black Clover does this well but it's not talked about that often,
Because none of the fights are remotely engaging or memorable and the "team aspect" is irrelevant to how well done the actual fights are.
>but Goku vs Vegeta was a team fight
No it wasn't. The biggest portion and most memorable of the fight is Goku and Vegeta's battle after that it's more or less a tug of war between Killin, Gohan and Yajirobe against Ape Vegeta.
Grayson Edwards
It really isn't important. I have a personal preference for them and do love them in Black Clover. But it's not a necessity.
Charles Perez
>AIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IT'S BAD BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT
Doesn't matter, the fights are good at a base level despite the subjective factor.
Jaxon Foster
No they're not. If the fights didn't suck maybe the series would be more popular.
Landon Moore
"The MC gets the big powerup and 1v1s alone at the end of every arc" stereotype is kinda out of date ain't it? What has even done that in the last wave of big battle manga? Not counting the Dragonball sequel I guess (maybe not even that, I don't actually know).
Aiden Perez
This, teamwork only works if it’s the main characters.
Landon Flores
>"The MC gets the big powerup and 1v1s alone at the end of every arc" stereotype is kinda out of date ain't it?
If it was then they would stop doing it
Anthony Garcia
>Black Clover
Kek read World Trigger for actual team fights
Mason Turner
1.5 billion views on bilibili alone, cope shitter.
Blake Wood
>bilibili
I'm so glad I'm not a Clovercuck
Lincoln Jones
Why are you fags like this?
Charles Diaz
Eh, world trigger has better team tactics but black clover has better fights. If you include character development into the criteria for rating a fight then even more so
Jacob Walker
wtf is Tabata going to do with diamond now that he's established their entire country is weaker than Yuno by himself, after Yuno inevitably defeats Dante
David Miller
>but black clover has better fights
Nope
Caleb Cruz
Sorry I made a mistake, I meant to say that black clover has worse fights.
Lincoln Murphy
>bilibili
BCfags are pathetic
Lincoln Rodriguez
Tabata probably dropped the whole Morris and Diamond child slaves plotline. Such a shame since I was really looking forward to that.
Adrian Wood
He doesn't seem like the type to drop plotlines, Tabata will sit on plot threads for 100+ chapters
Luke Clark
There's been no indication that it's been dropped though.
Gabriel Flores
It will come back. We just have to wait.
Brandon Wright
>Stakes don't mean shit. The only current exceptions to this are Jujutsu Kaisen, and maybe Chainsawman
Gavin Hughes
kimetsu do it very well
Austin Peterson
That fight is a great example, but I personally can't say the same about the rest.
Andrew Sanchez
But Spade took over Diamond. Unless Morris has become an honorary Spade citizen I don't see how it can go back to that plotline once Spade is defeated.
I doubt Clover will allow Diamond to stay corrupt once they save them from Spade. Therefore the Moriss plotline is gone.
Camden Jenkins
Fuck no
Noah Peterson
We haven't seen the state of the Diamond Kingdom after the invasion yet, all we know is that it's been taken over.