I didn't really get the end of SBR This is covering everything after the death of funny valentine. I didn't really get why Gyro died, if it wasn't for a call back to the true man's world, his death doesn't really make sense to me, his nation goes to ruin and the boy he saves fucking dies in the impoverished nation, so does that mean that Gyro's dad was right? That doesn't really sit well because every action Gyro takes is in spite of his father's orders. And Pocoloco winning the race also doesn't make sense to me, cause he doesn't really exude any good reason for winning except that he's lucky. And really we don't get any info on him either except a couple of scenes with him. And Diego from another world honestly pisses me off, cause there is so much lost potential, he doesn't have that many scenes to warrent him being the last obstacle, and there is only an implied malice between him and johnny, but we don't see this in action. And why is Lucy Steel the one to defeat Diego from another world, is she supposed to be a christ figure, giving her plot armor, its fine, I just feel it would have been better for Johnny to beat him or for Diego to just win. And finally I didn't really feel anything at the end of the story like I did for VA, I was like what is the point, Johnny can walk again, i guess
I didn't really get the end of SBR This is covering everything after the death of funny valentine...
It's a story where "true objectives" don't really matter, or rather, they're circumstances that push you into situations, and your true worth as a human stems more from how you deal with those situations than where you stand on the grand scheme of things.
If we think about the amount of positive change each person could exert, Funny Valentine was objectively the hero, so Johnny and Gyro were the villains, but what truly matters is that they protected each other and fought for their own growth. Same with Ringo Roadagain, same with Valentine, same with Pocoloco.
The heroes get more screentime (indeed, they're the heroes) because they get the toughest shit to deal with and overcome the worst obstacles.
>they're circumstances that push you into situations, and your true worth as a human stems more from how you deal with those situations than where you stand on the grand scheme of things
Absolutely agree, as Johnny's perfection of the spin is the idea of growth made literal, which also is manafested in Gyro and Johnny's bond growing
>If we think about the amount of positive change each person could exert, Funny Valentine was objectively the hero, so Johnny and Gyro were the villains
Ture but I believe that this misses the point a little bit, Araki made what I think to be one of the best antagonist protagonist combinations that rival even Light yagami and L, you see you can view the story from both angles, Valentine's flawed but noble cause for his country, and Johnny's selfish drive for the ability to walk again, looking in to their and how it effects their future action, you see reasonable but immoral action being made by both
>The heroes get more screentime (indeed, they're the heroes) because they get the toughest shit to deal with and overcome the worst obstacles.
Makes sense, but you still need to develop opponents well enough to make their malice feel justified, that why I believe Diego from another world to be such a let down because they don't develop him enough to bring the malice necessary
Oh and you didn't really answer my question of the point of the ending, cause what you stated doesn't coorelate to the events that happen at the end, or im just stupid
Well, to me the ending (as in the kid's eventual fate and the result of everyone's actions) was pretty unimportant. Call it a bad ending, if you'd like. For me, the important part of it was Johnny walking, as a metaphor of what he accomplished; in a normal book, he wouldn't need to stand on his own two feet, but in the comic it's a powerful image of his growth, as he finally grew strong enough to stand by himself.
Other stuff is other people's business, even for Valentine. And yeah, my point was pretty much that if you use metrics of objective value you miss the point of the story
>Funny Valentine was objectively the hero
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
>Other stuff is other people's business, even for Valentine
So are you implying that the other characters don't matter in the end of the story, i can see where you are going with Johnny's journey being the main point, but everyone he met was part of that journey, and should reach equal satisfaction (or dissatisfaction) with their journey the same way johnny did, right?
I mean I can see your point, from where valentine dying is not a decree against his message, but the end or a story is really important to establish the character's arc , of course not ever one needs a conclusive ending, that would mean valentine's morals are objectively wrong and bad, but I believe that it is important to tie up loose ends to say something about your story, like this person's death means this, or that person winning the race means that, or that anything in the story has meaning at all, does nothing in SBR mean anything, if it doesn't then I'm not pissed, but like what IS ARAKI TRYING TO TELL ME
They matter to themselves, so to say. It's not about satisfaction, but rather the actions. In fact, Johnny being able to walk free is a bit odd but it had to happen because readers like nice endings.
For instance, Pocoloco got a huge reward, so if you think about the manga in terms of rewards, it's extremely unfair, but his actions were rather boring and uninspiring and so, we don't get to see much of him. I guess you could say screentime was their reward.
I kinda get where your coming from, there screen time is supposed to matter more on how much he matters to the story, I guess by the end of it, the prize money isnt really the point of the story. But from that point of view, characters who mean a lot to the story get pushed into the line light, say Valentine, but the ending is not indicative of their narrative impact, thats why Diego from another world is the last enemy
It's just my take on it anyway, maybe I'm wrong and Araki is a bad writer you know?
He was supposedly going to create an empire for his people. At least for some time, a lot of people's lives were going to improve dramatically
>A lot of people's lives were going to improve dramatically
I mean, honestly he was taking the low road, cause it wouldn't really improve the general state of the world so much as divert all the bad shit to the rest of the world that isn't the US, all the plague and famine and misfortune would instead be pushed to impact other nations. It's not really good so much as it's condemning everyone who isn't you to suffer in your stead.
you're
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araki is trying to tell a cool story. not a deep one. There's no follow up to anything gyro experiences. The only person that learns anything is Johnny.
Lucy defeating dio is just fate, I'm guessing because he killed wekapipo.
Maybe I am, but wouldn't you expect more from the second highest rated manga on MAL, I watched youtubers talk their damn head on this manga, so there should be more to an ending than "it's fate yo", not like araki didn't already cover that topic with a scientific precision
The epilogue/ending felt rushed to me and half-assed. I thought Araki just wanted to move on to Part 8
>what IS ARAKI TRYING TO TELL ME
Go to the wiki and read his interviews about SBR and Jojo in general
So the manga isn't supposed to tell its theme, araki's interviews will
Probably will read them anyway
>thinking it's just one theme throughout the whole story
>So the manga isn't supposed to tell its theme, araki's interviews will
It's been that way since Part 1. You need to learn what subtlety is.
I mean there can be multiple themes, and araki's interviews can be an insight into what the kind of story he wants to create, but there should be indicators within his own work that points towards the philosophy or core message of the work, and the subtlety of these messages, no matter how subtle they may be, should at least be distinguishable, and worthy of further exploration and interpretation
JoJo is the 'eulogy of the human' meaning that it is a story wherein characters overcome obstacles with their own spirit and abilities without the dive of external divine forces. Johnny Joe star encompasses this thematic element in JoJo since he along with the help of Gyro and the spin helped him walk again instead of the corpse helping Johnny walk again
The kid dying of a cold was funny. Dumbass irrelevant Pocoloco winning was funny.
>characters overcome obstacles with their own spirit and abilities without the dive of external divine forces.
The Joestars always have fate on their side, though.
Araki has stated throughout the decades that this is literally what all of the JoJo parts are about
Well then he probably should not have explicitly put destiny on their side.
If you think that then you're reading JoJo wrong
It's solely because Gyro is the parallel to Will Zeppeli. He was already fated to die teaching the Joestar bloodline.
Araki watched too many Westerns and thought "le nothing matters" is a good way to end things.
read jojo again
you clearly didn't get it the first time
If you think SBR was about how nothing mattered you were literally not paying attention to the goals of the characters.
Gyro died because he believed staying true to his personal code and not letting someone die when he could prevent it
was more important then tossing all that aside when it's convenient,
unlike Valentine who died because he tossed his moral virtues aside to enact a filthy act for a reasonably price after promising with pictures of a lock in his text.
These are characters fighting for there individual beliefs which is the most american meme ever,
just because most of them doesn't achieve success doesn't automatically mean basic lame brain nihilism you're only capable of comprehending
Exactly this. Steel Ball Run isn't necessarily about achieving external success. Moreso it's about achieving internal success which was the meaning of Lesson 5
I remember getting spoiled really early on with an image of
Johny fighting the world
and getting hyped with a finale where Johny fights Dio alone while Gyro is finishing the race.
Boy did that expectation betray my emotional high in the end.
Good on you for taking the time to spoil text for something old and known here.
Can't say the same for me but too lazy.
Anyways Diego and Johny losing/Lucy resolving things next chapter is just more of the suspense Araki loves in creating.
Doesn't really work if you have common sense and immediately read the next chapter since being left with not knowing what happens next
and waiting for a monthly release really leaves an impact.
Also t's why every character has more screen time then the protag parts 3-6,
he prob figured it'd be more suspenseful in theory since a side character is more likely to die then a protag.