There seems to be a consensus that One Piece, at the least, isn't what it used to be...

There seems to be a consensus that One Piece, at the least, isn't what it used to be, but when did that change actually happen? Timeskip is a bit too neat for it to actually be the case

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Basically the series always had these problems, but slowly over time they became worse and more glaring.
>repetitive structure and characters
>too many new characters
>ugly designs
>straw hats losing their charm and becoming more shells of themselves
>panel clutter

When they split up. It became the Luffy show and the rest of the crew being away for so long fucked with their dynamics. It's been boring since and their interactions were probably the best part about One Piece.

marineford
>stops being about the strawhats to be about 100 new characters oda introduced with ruffy commentating on their so sad backstory
>completely stops being about exploring weird new places with fighting to just have previously mentioned 100 characters all fight eachother while ruffy mainly just watches
>literal years spent on this shit just for ace to die anyway because the marines did the equivalent of flapping their arms & making chicken sounds at him

Dressrosa

chuckled at the last part

Honestly just wano. Dressrosa was a slog but wano is several degrees worse with its pacing. It feels like the new world as a whole is disappointing because it's all been buildup for wano. Unless wano makes a total 180 I feel bad for Oda but he shouldn't have rushed his manga.

Zou and Whole Cake island is just a good as pre-timeskip arcs. Speaking of, there are plenty of pre-timeskip arcs that are boring as shit, Water 7, Alabasta and everything is great but the whole thing is far from perfect.

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WCI was pure kino and the only bad arc post-TS is dressrosa, dunno what people are talking about

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Soul Piece ended with Enies Lobby. Enies Lobby still had good moments (all the ones that were purely pay-off from W7) but it was already starting to get bogged down with shit (all of the EL-specific stuff including the fights). TB was a fun arc but also showed early signs of the disjointed schizo storytelling that has become the main issue with the manga. It just kept escalating from there, with the war arc being a turning point in terms of presentation (this is where the spread spam for shit that doesn't need it started). The manga has never really gotten back to being about the Strawhats thesmelves since then.

Why do you make this thread, not every day, but every fucking hour?

The change happened gradually and it was bound to happen in a plot-"focused" (don't laugh) story that built itself on a wide cast of characters.
I've been reading OP for 20 years, but there have always been periods where I fall in and out of love with it.
For me the biggest weakness is the constant dangling of the mysteries of the story in front of the reader, but never ever actually following up on it in a satisfying manner.
I started this when I was 12 years old and now I'm in my fucking thirties. And I still don't know shit about the void century, Vegapunk gets mentioned once off-panel every 3 years. I don't care anymore, the payoff will never live up to the years of of buildup. Wano and Dressrosa were built up as well, and they are huge disappointments on multiple levels. The One Piece might as well be the friends we made along the way, because at least that has potential to be satisfying instead of the likely clusterfuck Oda will present at the end of the manga.
Can you imagine, all these years and the One Piece at the end is just garbage like Luffy's hat? What I'm saying is, I don't really have faith in Oda as writer. Not anymore at least.

The greatest strength in OP for me however has always been the comedic elements. And I still get laughs occasionally.

>he shouldn't have rushed his manga
>manga is 21 years old and it needs at least other 5 years

what

dressrosa's better if you marathon it, punk hazard is better in anime, wholecake is based as fuck, fishman island was good but had a weak ending, and wano's been great ESPECIALLY in the anime.

Pre Timeskip had it's clunker moments too. Even the mighty arlong park has a dissatisfying end to the fight itself. Thriller Bark was kind of middling, Skypiea was bad in the anime, drum island kind of drags...(little garden too ngl) but the good is still the best. One Piece is a fantastic story and it has some of the best characters and story arcs around. I highly reccomend anyone who's feeling like one piece lost it's way to go back through the whole series again and see if they change how they feel about the recent arcs. (Week to Week feels different from marathon, and we all started with a marathon until we caught up)

I liked it better when they were just starting out when there was no big threat, no real large enemies, no chosen one stuff. Just adventure.

>Can you imagine, all these years and the One Piece at the end is just garbage like Luffy's hat?
How would that even be possible? The One Piece is confirmed to be what Joy Boy left on Raftel and Roger had the straw hat before he set off.

He might mean the other one.

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Wano is One Piece's first bad arc.

Ah. Well this one is in Mariejois and there's an interesting theory the giant hat is related to Uranus.

>One Piece, at the least, isn't what it used to be
But that's wrong the problem with OP is that after a while you start to feel there's a timeloop going on, the amount of Déjà vu is unheard of

>flanderization of the strawhats
happened in pre-ts when oda redesigned chopper to look more cute for merch sake
>messy art and panel clutter
somewhere around sabaody, especially noticeable in marineford
>pacing
skypiea was a slog to read every week
>asspulls
the enies lobby powerups were fucking bullshit and even worse than doffy's birdcage because oda just handed them to the crew to beat the big bads. especially usopp yelling at luffy to get up and fight and then he wins against lucci for that sole reason. literal friendship powerup.

one piece was always shit. it just seems people are willing to overlook certain things to fit their "pre-ts is a sacred cow that did no wrong" narrative.

There's no sense of mystery anymore. You basically know where the Straw Hats are going to go the arc before they go there, you know who they'll fight, and there's no adventure to it. You know Luffy will beat whoever they're going to fight. It doesn't really feel like they're pirates; they're just anti-government rebels going from island to island.
The post timeskip arcs have been extremely similar to one another, just with different villains, allies and locations. I think Zou and WCI have been the only decent arcs post timeskip. It seems like in every arc the periphery characters are more important than the Straw Hats themselves. The storytelling is so disjointed that you forget what's happening unless you have the stamina to read weekly.

Bow to your new king of shonen

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Stop fucking posting this you pathetic autist

Panel clutter is the number 1 cause. The story is being rushed.

I gotta agree with this user.
After the split it, we lost that crew dynamic that Oda spent so long building up. It sorta just become a series about characters orbiting Luffy with little rhyme or reason beyond "he's the MC"
Even when they got back together after timeskip, they were split up AGAIN like 2 arcs later.

One Piece is still fine and readers who get to Wano after it's completed will, as they have every other arc, be entirely confused as to how anyone could complain about the pacing. Reading week-to-week-to-break-to-week is a slog, who would have guessed?

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>early signs of the disjointed schizo storytelling

If you're talking about constantly switching scenes to follow different characters within the same chapter, then I agree. Hell, I wonder how many panels are wasted on the transitions between scenes, especially as they occur multiple times within one chapter? bet that if the narrative stuck with one character or scene for a bit longer, at least a full chapter or two, then it wouldn't feel so disjointed and there would be less confusion and wasted transition panels.

>luffy looks at something, he is shocked, he says something
>cut to zoro running, he is about to slash someone
>cut to samurais fighting against kaido, they barely get a panel or two between them
>cut to luffy where we enter a flashback showing a summary of the conversation he had with whoever
>cut to zoro who is about to slash someone else
>etc etc

This will probably cause a spike in ADHD amongst children who read One Piece.

Yeah because they can just ignore all the trash, but is that really how a story should be read? Just ignore the shit that's bad so you can continue praising it?

Faggot, I read all of Naruto. For some of us, there is a point where you simply cannot just drop a story. Even if it gives me a headache, I will have no choice but to see it through to the end. And I will be criticising it all the way through for as long as it fails to improve.

It's well known it went to shit at Marineford

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>ignore all the trash
What are you talking about, retard? The release schedule is the problem, not the pacing.

When it became the luffy show and the strawhats besides luffy became secondary characters to other characters in each arcs. Dressrossa actually is pretty good if you binge it i quite liked it but wano is shit right nowb

Luffy has been a secondary character to other characters in each arcs since the literal beginning. He's just a cypher for punching things and exploring weird places or meeting interesting characters. "The Luffy Show" is quite literally the only point when it was about him

I didn’t mind the win against lucci but zoro and sanjis powerup made no fucking sense at all

>You know Luffy will beat whoever they're going to fight.

> gets oneshotted by kaido

Sanji's powerup is fine but Zoro's sucked and that's why it's never come up again

>flanderization is when you draw a character better
what a retarded opinion

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Fuck off samefag.

Sanjis powerup was shit as well even more so than zoros because atleast zoro could use the curse of kimestu as an excuse to becoming a demon, wtf excuse can sanji have for his flame legs