What the fuck is up with this genre? What's the appeal of shit like Boku no Namae Shounen A, Daughter's Friend, and all the rest of the "suffering porn" genre? What's their demographic niche? What's their appeal? It's like watching a trainwreck that makes you feel shitty. What sort of masochists like this sort of series?
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Aiden Baker
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Eli Carter
>what sort of masochist fits the clinical definition of a masochist
Asher Sullivan
Then how do the minds of these masochists work? Reading about the kid who killed the rapist teacher being made a pariah, or the father who turned to his daughter's friend for solace having his life ruined... It's like a kick in the nutsack. Who the fuck enjoys this?
Aiden Wright
>What's their demographic niche?
Me.
>What's their appeal?
The suffering.
>It's like watching a trainwreck that makes you feel shitty.
That's the point.
>What sort of masochists like this sort of series?
Still me.
Pain is life and life is pain.
I've since become numb to pain inflicted upon me in the real world, so the only manner in which I can feel much of anything is through this kind of thing.
Feeling like shit is far better than feeling nothing at all.
Thomas Roberts
i LOVE suffering porn. but not cheap edgy hit like healer hero, it have to be daughter friend or shounen abyss good. honorable mention to yuyki yuuna and suka suka
Evan Taylor
Interesting. Do you prefer violent edgy shit like Battle Royale or Human Ranch, with psychological suffering combined with physical trauma, or do you prefer the slow boil of more realistic series?
Do you relate to the main character or do you relate to those tormenting him? Are you cheering for things to work out or do you want it to all burn?
Not gonna ask for recommendations, but what are some recommendations?
Levi Reyes
The feeling reminds you that you're alive. Like when you can't wake up in the morning so you take a swig of lemon juice or vinegar just to distract yourself from depression. Manga is fake though so when you're tired of that despair you can just stop thinking about it.
Daniel White
not him but i like to read super sweet stuff dangers in my heart or rage inducting shit like was nisekoi. i like feeling different kind of emotions, but it's just that suffering is a scarce flavor and usually is good in general, so i grow to like it a lot
Nolan Mitchell
usually good psychological dramas which write the character reactions in a manner that makes reader emphasize with them.
Michael Howard
>Somebody on Zig Forums enjoyed Nisekoi
>but only BECAUSE it is bad
Holy based
Charles Carter
I tend to prefer things the are largely psychological more than anything directly violent.
However, what I mostly enjoy are things that I can personally relate to, which can be difficult to quantify for others.
For examples of things I can relate to, and without going into large detail, I greatly enjoyed most of Oyasumi Punpun up until he murdered the mother and Aku no Hana up to the attempted suicide and timeskip.
Things involving domestic violence though, those are what really get to me, mostly when it's parent on child especially if it's a mother abusing her son but I find that's more common in oneshots or short series' that I forget the names of.
I also relate strongly to Yokoi from Asuperu Kanojo, but mostly superficially, for lack of a better term.
>or do you relate to those tormenting him?
Never this, but I can understand the position of aggressors in many instances.
Continued because char limit.
Nathan Cox
For an example of understanding, but not condoning, and even siding with the aggressors somewhat, midway through Yamamoto Naoki's Arigatou when Takako's father is planning and trying to kill her I was wishing for him to succeed so that she wouldn't have to suffer further because I've been in a place like that myself, though I took it worse than her.
>Are you cheering for things to work out or do you want it to all burn?
Often neither, but it's contextual.
Having something "work out" could mean something different to you or I.
Just look at how I felt during Arigatou just above, that, to me, would have been working out for her but you might consider it burning.
What I usually wish to have happen is the more realistic approach, where things just continue on like the end of Punpun.
It's not a good end, it's not a bad end, though that's up to interpretation.
Life just goes on.
If you'd like, I could find some other things to rec you.
Lucas Torres
>Feeling like shit is far better than feeling nothing at all.
Stay strong, user.
Jason Carter
>If you'd like, I could find some other things to rec you.
i'd like some reccomendations
Ian Hill
Thank you very much, but, contrary to how I come across through text, I am actually doing better now than I have for the past decade.
I utilize being able to relate and feel to help reinforce that many others have been through serious hardships, even if they don't openly talk about it, as a method of allowing myself to enjoy moments of happiness and, because I'm in better circumstances now, to work on my art and stories as a means to relate my suffering to others in the hopes of creating a cycle, even if it only helps one person, to do the same, to get their pain out there and out of their head.
Apologies for the run-on sentence, but it came out like that, not that I'm, happy with it, but here we are.
I figured some people might, so I'm working on a little list.
It might take a bit and I'll likely go for a smoko or two in the meantime, but I think the time will be worthwhile because I intend to express why I like something for a better list.
Owen Phillips
I know someone who reads the over the top edgy ones for shits and giggles
Justin Thomas
>Shouwa Otome Otogibanashi
This is by far the most depressed I have ever felt after reading a manga. The tragicness came out of nowhere as well.
(btw if you don't wanna get spoiled don't look at the picture, the main part of the feeling is how unexpected the ending is).
>especially if it's a mother abusing her son
This has that as well.
Luke Johnson
It's disgusting how completely and irrefutably cucked this poor girl was.
Tyler Rogers
Care to elaborate?
Henry Robinson
Suffering porn is only good when the suffering isn't the point. The suffering needs to lead to growth, see Onai Master Kurosawa
Blake Johnson
>Naoki's Arigatou when Takako's father is planning and trying to kill her
After the shit she pulled with her sister's rapist she deserves far FAR worse
Henry Phillips
Going from rough memory here.
Guy likes girl but she doesn't like him. She disappears into thin-air in front of him and pops back into existence 16 years later (for her though, it was pretty much instant). Guy has moved on and is married to a glasses girl and they both decide to care for her.
Much later on, she gets depressed and runs into traffic but guy dives in and saves her. They both instantly disappear and pop back into existence 6 or 8 years later. He also has memory loss from the car accident so can't remember who he is, who girl is or wifey but she decides to take advantage of this and keep him to herself while his wife has pretty much become a wreck.
Mason Clark
She was an abused child who is constantly shat on, it's not as if it were all calculated malice, she's hurting and so she hurts back, but mostly hurts herself.
She also did get worse than dying, she had to live through more in her teens than most people have to in their whole lives.
Cameron Peterson
>Hard life excuse
Who in their goddamned mind whether it's right, wrong, drugged out or fucked up from mental illness and abuse fucking runs off with and fucks the monster who gangrapped her sister for god knows how long and broke the poor girl. She could have chosen ANYONE anyone but him. That is a betrayal so deep that anyone no matter how fucked in the head except for one other humongous piece of shit
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This is an act I can't explain, excuse or even understand on any level, it's just too fucking vile to me, and I can't comprehend how you can even empathize with something like that it's an act that is too alien to me
Ryder Ramirez
>suffering porn WITHOUT porn
Shiruka Bakaudon should go back to hentai.
William Adams
>Who in their goddamned mind whether it's right, wrong, drugged out or fucked up from mental illness and abuse fucking runs off with and fucks the monster who gangrapped her sister for god knows how long
Evidently more people than you'd think.
You're also forgetting that she was sexually assaulted by the same person in the first chapter and there is a known subset of victims who seek out their abusers.
Now, I'm not condoning her actions, but I can 100% understand them.
She needed an escape from her fucked up life regardless of who it was, even if she hated it, which she did.
Also, it's easier to understand if you've known people like that before.
I think this might be a case of agree to disagree because of our different lived experiences and mindsets.
Logan Barnes
>I suffer in a first world country
Jaxon Bennett
When all you know is suffering you tend to have an affinity for it. I’m alone on a Saturday night. I’ll be alone tomorrow too. I go to sleep every night wishing the sun won’t rise and wake up lamenting that I didn’t die in my sleep. At least in manga their suffering however contrived is exciting. There is development and fanciful scenarios. In Shounen Abyss I would have gladly double suicided with Nagi on the bridge. But in reality there will be no equally broken girl who will conveniently show up in my life. I’ll be alone until the end. There will be no meaning or climax or resolution. It will just be a cycle of meaningless days until I can suffer it no longer.
Tyler Jenkins
Because I want to see things get better for the people involved in it.
Lincoln Flores
>only starving niggers and bugmen can suffer
Retard.
Leo Turner
>but I can 100% understand them
I can't I literally cannot comprehend something like that, it causes a violent reaction in me. I can understand murder, torture, rape and all kinds of evil but going off to fuck your sister's rapist to spite your dad is a thought my brain refuses to entertain. Christ I can understand shit like Homunculus and The World is Mine but not this
Daniel Bell
I'm not a masochist, I'm a sadist. I get just off to pretty girls suffering.
Asher Johnson
yes. first world's "suffering" are superficial. you've got everything in life provided for you. stop bitching about little thing.
Easton Ross
What the fuck is her problem?
Owen Price
Through your views and normalfag/shounenfag choice of reaction images, I'm can tell you're quite young without close female friends or siblings and looking at this through a distinctly male mindset because you've not been exposed long term to women.
If you had, you'd be able to understand, but not condone, these actions.
Women generally don't think to torture or murder, they tend to emotionally injure others and/or turn that hate inwards in self-destructive acts such as meaningless sex and cutting themselves.
I'm now sure this is something where I won't be able to get you to understand her actions or even think differently of them because, and I mean no offence by any of this, you don't appear to have the capacity to.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I just don't see me helping you to understand.