If he hadn't sacrificed the Hawks and become a god...

If he hadn't sacrificed the Hawks and become a god, then Ganishka would've just steamrolled Midland and everything would be fucked. Why do people still think he's the bad guy?

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He raped

but what was his tax policy?

Did he realise Ganishka was coming? If not then all the crimes he did was based on selfish intent. There's also the fact that rape is rape, so you can still be a bad person who also saved your country. Mao unified China and Hitler recovered Germanise economy, but does that absolve them from being the bad guy.

Femtonomics

>m-muh rape
So what? Literally all the heroes, knights, kings and revered figures of the past raped a bitch or two irl, no matter how much retards try to romanticize the past. He saved the entire nation from Ganishka and brought peace to mankind and is opening up orphanages and uplifting the poor. You would see this all undone because a literal who got some cock in her from someone she idolized anyways?

Post Griffith lewds.

Women enjoy being dominated and taken by force. Just look at her fucking face during the process.

You're trying too hard.

>So what? Literally all the heroes, knights, kings and revered figures of the past raped
they literally didn't user

i don't think femto was really griffith. it's just his ambition personified, a mere shell of him. it can also be argued that by this time he had transcended morality.

It'd be more accurate to say that Femto was not all of Griffith. The guy was acutely suicidal and despairing like moments before it - a human stripped of his emotional range at that point would still be very mentally off-kilter. People don't exactly express their best selves in the middle of a personality-destroying trauma.

Isn't it implied that the reason Ganishka went nuclear and made the apostle womb is because of the prophecy and wanting to test his strength against the godhand?

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That's like half the characters in berserk though, doesn't explain why everyones so butthurt at him

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the ends don't justify the means

This is true but it's irrelevant to him being good or evil... which is something I do hate in Berserk. No one knew Ganishka was creating a mutant army that far surpassed everything in that world besides literal Gods.
I hate these secret contrivances in writing, reminds me of DBZ's plot where taking the logical choices will cause a bad end in the future
>If Goku hadn't jobbed to the Ginyu force and instead swiftly beat them and went to fight Frieza, he'd die
>If Goku had actually managed to kill Frieza without going Super Saiyan, they all die to the androids
>If they had destroyed Gero's lab with Trunks' warning and prevented the androids, Cell would still murder them all (remember how strong he got even before absorbing them)
>Hell, if they somehow prevent the androids and Cell from existing, then they die to Dabura or Buu awakening in the future.

And here, apparently if Griffith didn't have a pretty king fantasy, that one guy would came out of nowhere and conquer the entire world with demons because he's so ridiculously above the rest of characters.
Doesn't mean Griffith is good, he just lucked out into having such an opponent.

But going back to the DBZ example, here the logical "good route" would have been Griffith never being captured and tortured by Midland's king.
Imagine if Guts never left and they were a happy Band of the Hawk, hell eventually Griffith would formally marry his daughter and become the new King perhaps.... nope, if you follow things like that they all die to demons.

something something casuality. If it weren’t for Griffith somebody else would have stopped him, since Ganishka was a nobody to the Godhand.

Also we are assuming that Griffith doesnt have some nefarious goal that would dwarf Ganishka cruelty. I have a feeling that he plans on sacrificing all human souls or something.

How many times does it need to be explained that sacrifice in Berserk is not a supermarket trip? You can't just sacrifice shit you don't deeply care about for "some nefarious purpose".

it can if you do some causality magic shit. Griffith has already made use of skull knight's sword to make the tree possible

I was thinking more of his kingdom as a concept

Rapists are literally worse than Hitler.

IIRC didnt Ganishka invade Midland partly because Femto came to him and demanded submission, and he refused?

Also, the Godhand orchestrated everything about Ganishka.

Griffith also fucked the whole world outside his city, so I don't know what these revisionists are attempting to do.

No. He had wanted to reign over the entire world for years before that.

>the colonizers saved americans from wars and brought civilization to them
the same argument

that my very loose justification for a "griffith did nothing wrong" type of statement
Griffith died in that cell, what came out was a shell of his former self with a broken body and mind
the fact that he was given the choice to fulfill his lifelong dream while in that state and he accepted is not really an indictment on Griiffith
And everything he did henceforth is just Femto, which is all of G's basest impulses
I cant wait to see him btfo'd

you dont know what contrivance means
it's not the writer justifying Griffith morally by inserting Ganishka, it's anons using it as a "yeah if he didnt then the moors would have plowed through midland"
you could argue that it's all part of causality but has no bearing on the issue at hand

Fuck Midland. You don´t forgive betrayals. Also his "utopia" is limited to Falconia only, the rest of the world is a free for all demon buffet. Meaning that humans options are hell or submitting to him.

She was a pooskin anyway, she was born for that