Naruto

The weird part is that this is happening because of Sasuke, but make sense since he is a criminal now and everyone wants to kill him to avoid a fucking war. He trained a lot to save him and just losing him like this would be some heavy shit.

>Hey dude, we're gonna go kill our ex-friend who joined Al Qaeda and wants to suicide-bomb our entire home town
>b-b-b-but that one time he gave me lunch food
Naruto and Sasuke's relationship always baffled me. I have never been that attached to someone I barely interacted with

I was pretty annoyed when Naruto returned from a 2(?) year long trip seemingly having learned nothing new.

Naruto should've killed Sasuke. Sakura was the worst character in the series and should've died to kaguya instead of Obito.

You need to dilate.

This
Naruto and Tanjiro are the only good shonen MCs.

I just don’t understand why the editors thought offscreening the time they spent together was a good idea. How are we supposed to get attached?

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Naruto doesn't understand relationship and I don't think he was ready to see someone who still respect a lot becoming a criminal and killing people, also his friends wanting to kill him. Naruto hyperventilating was one the few realistic thing that ever happened to him in this manga.

>When do you think it was the point of no return for this series?
Went the Sage appeared and gev free power ups to both Naruto and Sasuke. There was some enjoyable stuff later like Team 7 working together to defeat Kaguya and Naruto Vs Sasuke but pic related is when i went. Are you serious? The Last spoiling the end of the Manga and taking all my hype for the finale didn't helped either

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Land of Waves was and is still peak Naruto for me.
Magic shit is treated as really unusual and special, most of the fights are handled by some mix of brute force and quick thinking.
And Naruto and Sasuke actually felt like friends, although with some amount of vitriol.
It also felt like the only time that Team 7 were actually, you know, really doing shit together and had been together for a while.
It's weird that they feel like they're less familiar with each other when the Chunin exams begin than they do at the beginning of Land of Waves

>point of no return
If you want to be real about it, it has to be Gaara vs Rock Lee.
It was a massive spike in powerlevel, and neither of them were the main characters. In fact, later on in the same arc the MCs would have to fight the winner of that fight.
The first arc had very strategic battles, but the chunin exams would herald what's to come later.

Well but that's the thing I don't get. WHY does he like Sasuke that much, why is he so attached.
I get that he didn't understand relationships when he was 12 but it's been 3 years or so since Sasuke left and Naruto has actual REAL friends now. He has Sai, Lee, Sakura, Kakashi, and basically everyone on every other team of the Konoha 12.
Why is he so fucking hung up on Sasuke? If he compares how everyone else treats him, he should see Sasuke is and has basically always been a petulant little fuck.
Neji isn't even on Naruto's team and he's a better friend to Naruto than Sasuke ever was.

Based. Land of the waves was great. I’m still upset their other missions like that were offscreened. We should’ve seen what they were up to after the death of the third before rushing into Itachi’s introduction.

I don't get why people say Pain arc is peak Naruto. It is really good, ngl, but the conclusion of that arc is absolutely disgusting.
I personally think Chunin exam is peak Naruto

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I agree
It's one of the things I'm happy at least some of the filler episodes go over. It's a good time period for filler, episodic adventures to happen.
Just makes me wish we had a couple of one-off chapters of self-contained missions where they fuck around doing basic D and C class genin shit and learn some valuable lessons about friendship along the way

You need to seethe & cope (or rope)

He was the first guy who acknowledged his strength I guess also near death experiences can probably bring people together. He spent at least a couple months with the guy and they seemed to get along pretty alright when they weren’t feeling jealous of each other. I don’t think it’s a normal friendship but I don’t think he spent as much time with anyone from the K11 who wasn’t on his team so I guess that’s why he was so attached. It’s also the fact that he made it his goal to bring him back and he’s very against going back on his word. I think it could've been handled better but it’s not that bad.

>magic shit is really unusual and special
Nigga in that arc alone there is a cage of ice mirrors with dimensional properties and raikiri is introduced.

Naruto himself explains the why behind it twice.

yeah, it was bullshit. Naruto even realises it when he encounters Sasuke and cant even do anything.

Yeah I always found the chapter cover with them all mimicking kakashi to be funny too. He showed them hanging out more on those chapter covers ironically. Aren’t all the D rank missions just catching lost pets and that sort of thing? They did that a lot at the start.

The end of the arc is fine. People constantly miscontrue what actually happened when they criticize it because if they talk about it directly it makes more sense. Its just one huge strawman argument.
All it was missing was more time from Nagato's perspective to show him reflecting on Jiraiya's teachings more before battling Naruto. A scene or two in the Rain village with subtle indications that Nagato felt remorseful about killing Jiraiya would have been enough.

>I personally think Chunin exam is peak Naruto
Chunin exam is fine but it also has the lowest point in Naruto with Ino vs. Sakura.

I'm willing to accept Pain getting talk no jutsu'd but him undoing every single death in the arc except that poor frog that Danzo killed is what fucked it up. Kakashi should've stayed dead but I'm guessing Kishi remembered he still needed him alive to exposit Obito.

Basically. Felt like the logical conclusion would happen somewhere around there but it kept dragging on and on more and more dumb shit getting introduced, worst of all being the Asura and Indra reincarnation garbage.
We didn't need to learn about the origins of the tailed beasts or the Rinnengan and all the mystic nardo world lore associated with all that, it wasn't what Naruto was about for 90% of its run before that including the post timeskip shit, Kishimoto going in depth into all that while simultaneously reincarnating a bunch of characters just because made me lose interest.

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