Fuck Heaven's Feel. Reject everything and accept your ideals

Fuck Heaven's Feel. Reject everything and accept your ideals.

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No fucking shit, a wormslut ain't worth it.

What a dumb and childish argument.

The bonds you forge with people are also an important part of who you are. At times they're worth giving up something as vague and ill-defined as your ideals.

Do you even remember what your ideals were 10 years ago?

Just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right.
For some men the ideal is engraved into you. It's part of you. It is you.
You'll understand one day.

>For some men the ideal is engraved into you.

That's total bullshit. Any amount of life experience will show you how wrong you are.

The bonds should contain your ideals in the first place. It's like how you wouldn't be friends with literally-Hitler unless you were a literally-nazi.

Its a shame you'll never realize this. It really is user.
It's probably some form of mental illness but eh. It motivated me.

>Its a shame you'll never realize this.

I pursued my ideals until it ruined me. I sacrificed every bond I had in service to those ideals. It wasn't worth it.

I have nothing, I am nothing. Even the ideals I once believed in don't mean anything to me anymore.

Ideals alone do not make a man and they can't sustain you.

he's not arguing that our bonds are not an important part of our identity. he's saying that those bonds should not be the basis for our identity but rather a product of it.

see:
additionally, i do in fact remember my ideals when i was 15 and i do in fact compare them to my ideals now. the vast majority of them haven't changed and have simply become more developed. but the essence remains the same.

i'm saging because i don't know what this has to do with anime

>i'm saging because i don't know what this has to do with anime

Ideals = Unlimited Blade Works and Fate/Zero
Bonds = Heaven's Feel

Then you found your end. I haven't found mine yet. If it ruins me, it ruins me. Not like I had much to live for in the first place.

is the OP's image a monologue from one of them or an analysis synthesized from those together? i've never watched those shows.

>What a dumb and childish argument.
Ad hominem.

Do you have anything to actually say or are you just posting to see your own words?

Mine is to be a final boss, and that has never changed. I like to imagine the looks on my friends and family's faces as they see me for the worldwide catastrophe that I truly am. Then they'll find out the world was never in danger and I just wanted to have one last lark before oblivion.

But what if my ideal is to spread the word of English dubs here on Zig Forums?

Just pointing out that you're an irrational retard, that's all. Seethe more.

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The whole dilemma of Fate is Real VS. Ideal. Become a Hero or normal dude.
Some people want to become heroes, some would rather stay normal. Hence the arguing begins.

That's what Heaven's Feel is. Shirou rejected everything handed to him by his failure of a father and accepted that his ideal was making Sakura happy.

Archer what are you doing on Zig Forums? Shouldn't you be cooking something or cleaning something?

he insulted op AND provided a logical counterargument immediately afterwards. they're not mutually exclusive, retard. see?

Nothing I said was irrational or retarded.

Stop bringing reddit into everything. You could have at least contributed your autistic opinion
then again I'm on 4chinz

Uncle A is a great example actually. When your bonds are your people you set your ideals to help them.

The counter argument of Heaven's Feel as a foil to UBW is flawed to begin with. Nasu even admits so in interviews.
Some people want to have ideals and live and die by them.
Others value more tangible and interpersonal things.
They're not really comparable at a base level. That's the point of Shirou. The routes are more a character study of how a person like him would react.

Point out the "logical counterargument", lmfao. What a fucking moron you are.
Cope.

>What a fucking moron you are
Ad hominem. tsk tsk

Wasn't an example of ad-hominem, dumb mouth-breather.

>dumb mouth-breather.
Ad hominem. man, you're making this way too easy

If only this monkey dance was even half as clever as you think it is. Sucks to be wrong I guess lol