Now that the dust has settled, was he in the right?

All of those are huge fucking industries, especially horse racing and boxing. They're probably just not popular in your circles.

You *used* to see this mentality on Zig Forums a lot before the memerap and kpop kids took over.

Same could be said of who goes to Zig Forums

Miyazaki in the 80s

>Today, I can't talk about our business without some bitterness. Compared to several works in the 1950s which inspired me, we in the 1980s make animation as if it's an in-flight meal served on a Jumbo Jet. Mass production has changed the situation. The true emotion and feeling that should be carried through have been replaced by a bluff, neurosis, or teasing. The craft that we should put our love into has been worn down in the piecework production system. I hate the abbreviation anime because I can't help but think that the word symbolizes the desolation (of Japanese animation).

>I don't feel like defending, speaking for, or analyzing Japanese anime. Anime is more suitable to be discussed together with computer games, foreign cars, or playing gourmet. When I discuss anime with my friends, it somehow turns into a discussion about our cultural situation, the desolation of the society, or our tightly controlled society. Something called the anime boom had come and gone, but about 30 TV series per week, several scores of theatrical and video anime, and subcontract works for the United States are still produced in this country today in 1987. But there is no use talking about it. If there is something we have to talk about, it's the "excessive expressionism" and the "loss of motives" in Japanese anime. These two are corrupting Japanese popular animation.

Normies bring social exclusion.
When your fandom is full of weird outcasts, everyone has a loud and obnoxious opinion. But no one can enforce their opinion as dogma. Tom angrily disagrees with you, and he won't talk to you, but Bill doesn't give a shit and he'll chat about autistic anime theories all fucking night. And just because Bill talks to you, that doesn't mean Tom won't talk to Bill. Tom's problem is with you, not Bill, and he doesn't give a shit who Bill talks to.
That changes once normies come in. Group-think forms, and suddenly having a wrong opinion means not having a place in the community. Bill won't talk to you, because Tom says you're an -ism. You quickly find that no one will engage with you unless your opinion conforms to a predefined range of "acceptable discourse". Even your stream of one-off outrage replies from newfags dries up.

For all the socially awkward teenagers, niche hobbies are a safe place for them to learn how to socialize, and even how to be confident. They can easily exchange conversation partners when the discussion gets too difficult. They can win an argument and feel the satisfaction of being right, even if it's about something trivial and meaningless. Normies come in and they disrupt all that. They follow you around the site, dredging up your previous errors every time you try to talk to someone else about something new, and harass you. It's no longer about right now, it's about that one time you were wrong, and they'll never let you forget it. Wrong once and you can never be right again.

Yes and it got so much worse than he could've possibly imagined.

Normies have no fucking place in those hobbies. They should lurk, and watch, and learn how to not be cunts before participating. And they should certainly never be handed the reins of power as moderators or game masters or whatever.
I had a lot of weird kids at my table, both as a player and as a GM. They took the game in some strange directions, but not one time did we ever have to kick someone out. As the GM, your job is to manage the enjoyment of the game. Sometimes one person's enjoyment comes at the expense of someone else. Sometimes, someone having fun makes the rest of the table uncomfortable. As the GM, you have to know where the limits of your players are, and you let that fucking weirdo do his thing, let out some stress or frustration with his fantasy, and you gently guide him back to the plot before he goes too far.
The players learn to put up with it, because they know that they'll get their turn to let it out, and everyone will sit their while they brush the surface of whatever weird shit they're into, whether it's morally dubious or deep justice autism.
Everyone learns something. About what other people are like, about what they're like themselves, about what the limits of acceptable discourse are. And the only way you can handle that responsibility is to come up in that weird hobby yourself. Outsiders who have lived their entire life comfortably within the "norm" cannot possibly recognize where the line is, much less help others toe it.

>For all the socially awkward teenagers, niche hobbies are a safe place for them to learn how to socialize, and even how to be confident
>Unironically wanting safe spaces
Shut the fuck up faggot, you're literally the problem

>muh trigger word
A description of what it is isn't advocacy for an idea, nigger.

Without a doubt. A small community with dedicated fans is much better than a large community that can only talk in memes and forget what they watched five minutes after they watched it.

as time goes on people will realize that "safe spaces"/containment sites/gatekeeping/etc is unironically good to some degree. I agree that new people should be able to get into something, but if the amount of newbies is far larger than the existing community that signals the end of the community

you're wanting to preserve the "sanctity" of those spaces, of your safe spaces
you're arguing in favor of then, and yet pretend you're not.
Just say you're mad people ruined your safe space and you want then back because you're incapable of socializing.
At least then you will be honest

/m/fags already do this though

Quite the opposite, retard.

No. Nerds will move on to new niche hobbies. The old ones will be ruined, and that annoys me because they were my hobbies, but the "safe space" to socialize in will continue to exist. Social rejects seek out those places, consciously or not, and will find something else obscure to form low-pressure communities around.
I don't play tabletop anymore, because I no longer need it. I learned how to act like a normie in public a long time ago. The people coming in to ttrpgs now don't need it either, because they're already normies for the most part. It's much harder to teach a normie to be more tolerant than it is to teach an autist how to socialize.

There's no need to artificially preserve the "sanctity" of anything. The old-guard is going to resist change, and they have every right to resist change in the communities that they've enjoyed for years or decades, but they'll eventually lose.
I can be bitter about losing something. There isn't anything wrong with that.

I started to consume anime and manga when they were still kind of obscure and tied to stupid prejudices due to the ignorance of people. I was lucky to have both real and online friends to share my opinions with, and funnily enough today I find myself more lonely in this hobby, because the quality of the communities and of its regulars dropped. I'm not interested in 95% of posts wrapped in 10 layers of irony, shitposting, and 5% of genuine discussion.

I don't agree that anime is dead. It's still going strong. I'd say the community is dead, though. It's now yet another Reddit-tier circlejerk. One of the appeals of anime was that the fans were socially awkward nerds who didn't fit in most social circles. By liking anime, you were ''one of us,'' and we could be relatively confident that we had other interests in common. Nowadays, that close-knit community is gone, and the members are mostly replaced with the typical socially normal person. So what was once a community that acted as a sort of haven for otakus is now becoming a community in which we don't fit anymore.

Who wronged you buddy? You're taking it too personally.

Has this guy ever liked the animation his country produces?

Zig Forums completely BTFO

Tom. Pay attention.

>Nowadays
The OP makes the same point as you and it's from 24 years ago.

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Hakujaden and his own works.

I think it's more like he just dislikes what his contemporaries are doing or atleast that's how I've read the times he "lashed out" at other big figures in the industry (especially his comments towards Tezuka).

>anime is dead
>bad thing