I'm not overly emotional. I don't generate strong feelings about fictional characters.
I understand he's a blatant self-insert protagonist awkward to the point of absurdity to make the worst hikikomori in the target audience feel like a ladies' man. I understand she's a manic pixie girl with no other apparent motivation than to serve as some sort of guardian angel/wish fulfillment blessing on our MC's life. I understand the writing is hamfisted and needlessly convoluted. My conscious self realizes how predictable and shamelessly emotionally manipulative the entire story is.
Yet every time I'm reminded of this movie by an image or a word like "cherry blossom" or "pancreas" I can't help but feel a single tear roll down my cheeck 20 seconds later.
Is there something wrong with me? Have Chinese cartoons finally turned me into a faggot?
>Have Chinese cartoons finally turned me into a faggot? Yes. A faggot with shit taste, no less.
Elijah Reyes
ok what anime?
Jaxon Harris
i love the little prince and it automatically made me like the movie
Jace Peterson
I want to eat your pancreas is dogshit. I would say to turn away while you still can, but its already to late for you.
Jackson King
>I understand he's a blatant self-insert protagonist awkward to the point of absurdity to make the worst hikikomori in the target audience feel like a ladies' man. people like him exist, though >no other apparent motivation than to serve as some sort of guardian angel/wish fulfillment blessing on our MC's life. she wanted someone who doesn't care about her illness and wanted to give him something in return >I understand the writing is hamfisted and needlessly convoluted. how so
Kayden Reed
Reduntant
Nicholas White
euphoria or otherwise known as pancreas. Watch it and you'll understand.
Parker Hill
oh ok now i remember i watched it. i think i liked it
Jonathan Ward
>people like him exist, though do they? do they really? people willing to go on all these adventures together and spend weeks talking one-on-one but are still too awkward to move their hands when hugged? people like him in the first 10 minutes of the film exist, sure, but the movie really goes out of his way to throw him into scenarios in which he would never be if he'd really be the type of person he's supposed to represent. >wanted to give him something in return yeah but her insistence on being this revelation on our main character's life for no other reason than he is the protagonist of our anime is pretty heavy-handed >how so well for one the completely needless out of the blue dramatic violent death when simply collapsing from the illness apparently wouldn't have been dramatic enough. you knew that was coming after the first police news story set it up, didn't you?
Carter Miller
>do they? do they really? It's unironically me through middle school and high school. I have no idea why I was invited by anyone. >yeah but her insistence on being this revelation on our main character's life for no other reason than he is the protagonist of our anime is pretty heavy-handed elaborate, i genuinely dont understand because my english isnt very good
>the death yeah, it was foreshadowed way too heavily, but the point was that people can die every day so you shouldnt worry about distant future
Jason Watson
remember that time the cute popular girl in class paid for you to spend the night together in a hotel room? and then later on you went over to her house and she tried to kiss you so you got mad and briefly assaulted her and ran away? after spending every afternoon with her for the past 3 months? and you liked her enough to ask every little detail about her life yet you couldn't put your arms around her when she hugged you so instead you stood there like a log?
>elaborate her character is a fantasy created to appeal to a demographic of people watching the movie. her actions make little sense if you think of her as a individual person and not from the viewpoint of "I sure wish a girl like that showed up in my life too". she goes WAY past the point of "being nice" just to serve a very specific and significant purpose in the life of our main character for no other apparent reason than he is our main character.
>but the point was that people can die every day yeah but they already had a perfectly valid excuse written into the story. there was no need for an attacker out of the blue, she could've just collapsed on her way there. but I guess it wouldn't have been sad enough
I can't stand looking at gooks for extended periods of time. I like their little cartoons because they have the sensibility to draw themselves as white people.
Ryder Jenkins
The sooner you stop trying to see everything trying to tug an emotional reaction out of you as "manipulation", the sooner you grow up.
The only forced emotional part of the movie was him going "Can I cry now" infront of her mother anyway.
Ian Sanders
I spent a lot of time alone with a popular girl from my class. She even confessed to me and hugged me and I did nothing. The difference is that I've never talked with her after that. You dont have to believe it but that happened. > her actions make little sense why do you ignore the fact that she wanted someone who didn't give a fuck about her illness? she was a popular girl and yet she couldn't even mention her illness. That's her motivation. Also the Little Prince is an important book for her and it makes sense why she likes it and explains some of her actions. >she could've just collapsed That's true, but it's not the point the writers wanted to make.
>trying to tug an emotional reaction out of you as "manipulation" But that's exactly what it is? You're just playing semantics. I'm not saying anything that provokes an emotional reaction is inherently manipulative. Purposefully "tugging" an emotional reaction out of the viewer is. That's the purpose of the tugging.
>it's not the point the writers wanted to make. No, the point would've been exactly the same. The same point that was literally mentioned in the dialogue. You never know when you will die etc. A violent death is just more DRAMATIC than a natural one. It only served a shock purpose, the message didn't change any.
>she wanted someone who didn't give a fuck about her illness? Except that's not at all what happened. From the day they met he went along with all her requests BECAUSE he cared about her illness.
Nathaniel Perez
tugging and provoking in this context is the same thing
Aiden Martin
No, not really.
>tug >to pull at with force, vigor, or effort. >to move by pulling forcibly
>provoke >to stir up, arouse, or call forth >to give rise to, induce, or bring about
tugging an emotional reaction out of somebody is a much more deliberate and forcible act. that's why the verb "tug" is used rather than something more neutral like "incite". it implies the author exerted force to impose a certain intended emotional reaction. it's crass.
provoking an emotional reaction can happen spontaneously. you can't unintentionally tug.
Benjamin Peterson
> the point would've been exactly the same. no because it was something unrelated to her illness it was a random event that couldve affected literally anyone >Except that's not at all what happened. From the day they met he went along with all her requests BECAUSE he cared about her illness. I'm pretty sure he'd do that regardless of her illness, because deep down he wanted a friend. Later he started worrying about her illnes, because he got attached to her.
Isaiah Collins
>my cancerous anime girl >my bullshit emotional plot twist Plz don't post with such garbage taste I beg you
Eli Wilson
>I'm pretty sure he'd do that regardless of her illness, because deep down he wanted a friend. Sure, maybe. But that kinda goes along with what my point was. A lot of lonely people want a friend. How many lonely people actively turning down every offer from others trying to befriend them get a manic pixie girl attached who them who simply won't take no for an answer? She is wish fulfillment.
Blake Hughes
there literally was no twist. the flash forward during the absolute first minute of the film reveals what makes the plot emotional and it never changes.
Lucas Clark
And she wanted someone who didn't make a big deal out of her illness. Is that wish fulfillment too?
Oliver Howard
Maybe? Is there an audience of mortally ill women watching anime hoping for a man who would just not give a shit about them?
I'm not a mortally ill woman so it's hard for me to judge but it's extremely easy for me to see why the girl is wish fulfillment to just about every socially awkward man on the planet. People like her DO NOT exist in the real world. Sure, nice and friendly people do, but unless you're the protagonist of an anime they won't fixate on a random unresponsive stranger for the sole reason of leaving a positive imprint on their life. She had friends and family she had every reason to care for. She only picked this one random stranger because that random stranger is the character the target audience of this film is supposed to relate to. It makes no sense if you were to remove the story from the context of being an anime.
Just look at the wikipedia definition of the manic pixie girl stock character: > MPDG "exists solely in the fevered imaginations of sensitive writer-directors to teach broodingly soulful young men to embrace life and its infinite mysteries and adventures." sound familiar?
Matthew Young
Fine then pretend i said provoke instead, same thing. The moment you view all of this as under such a negative light that you'd call it manipulative is the moment you're far too gone. All fiction can be viewed like this, it's basically a dead-end.
Gavin Young
>All fiction can be viewed like this Yeah and all fiction gets criticized for blatantly tugging at emotional reactions. What's your point?
It's criticized because getting a cheap reaction out of something blatantly manipulative is easy. Just show a crying puppy next to its dying mother or something. Takes very little talent and effort to do. Evoking an emotion more subtly where it doesn't feel forced on the viewer takes skill.
Dylan Johnson
>friends She had friends, but she was afraid that their relationship would change if they learned of her illness, so she couldn't act truly 'normal' around them > She only picked this one random stranger because that random stranger is the character the target audience of this film is supposed to relate to But that's not true. She picked him because he learned of her illness and still acted cold towards her.
>She picked him because he learned of her illness It was revealed in the end when he read her diary that she had been interested in him for being "mysterious" and quiet for a long time before he picked up the book.
Sure, you can argue that her motivations were exactly as stated in the film. She looked up to him for being "self-sufficient" or whatever. I'm just saying that sounds very far fetched and unrealistic. It's the kind of fantasy people with bad social skills want to hear. A dream girl appearing out of thin air, obsessively wanting to get to know the man despite the man's recurring attempts to turn her down and being blatantly rude at times. Simply not taking no for an answer and... wouldn't you know it!? in the end the man learns a valuable lesson he needed to hear.
She is for all intents and purposes a modern-day saint.
