Remember when the grail war was a real war instead of some highschool drama? What happened?

Remember when the grail war was a real war instead of some highschool drama? What happened?
Why make it into some highschool self-insert fantasy?

Attached: EZYUmzxX0AgUBJ1.jpg (700x960, 137.18K)

Stupid/Zerokek

You didn't answer the question. I miss when the Holy Grail War was an actual war between ADULTS and not children.

it only took fucking one city multiple times to decide that autist mages are bad

these "adults" certainly did not act like adults
but it's a shitty bait thread anyway so w/e

They act very adult, hence why they don't go on playdates in the middle of the holy grail war, unlike the teenagers in the fifth holy grail war.
Again, I miss when the Holy Grail War was an actual war between ADULTS.

>They act very adult
kiritsugu refuses to talk to his servant because he's an idealistic manchild and gets BTFO by a psych 101 monologue at the and and has his life collapse in front of his eyes because he never thought for more than five minutes about his ideal. at least shirou knows that his ideal is impossible.

>Remember when the grail war was a real war instead of some highschool drama?
no

Kiritsugu refuses to talk to his servant because he has a liaison in his place far more compatible with the most idealistic hero in existence. If he attempted to communicate with his servant their relationship would have deteriorated even quicker than it did.

>Kerry got btfo lulz
No he didn't. He hoped for a miracle, when he realized the Holy Grail could not grant miracles as advertised he destroyed it and stuck with his ideals to the bitter end. 2 of his family members vs 6 billion people.
I get that you high school drama brainlets can't understand the ending of Zero though, it's okay.

>shirou knows that his ideal is impossible
shitrou acts like a literal teenager. Even when confronted with his future self telling him he's fucking wrong after having actually lived more seigi no mikata than shitrou has even though about, like any high schooler who thinks he knows everything, says "nu-uh i wanna be a hero!"

>they don't go on playdates
All Zero Caster team did was go on playdates, but since it was mindless edge it's fine I guess.
But in all seriousness, is this fun? Is trying to bait people all day with the same bait people used over 5 years ago fullfilling? I'm not angry or anything just tired, I want to talk about the subtle differences of both, the nods and references to Stay Night that gives mindless edge meaning, criticism on Zero servants as most of them were the "you get what you see" types, even turning Saber into one.
I don't want my fun with Zero to be used as some shitty bait, regurgitated over a hundred times over the course of literal years.
Rant over

>I want to be able to praise fate stay night and shit on fate zero without anyone telling me otherwise ;( ;( ;(
Too bad.

>All Zero Caster team did was go on playdates, but since it was mindless edge it's fine I guess.
And they were the first taken out, and even then they went on less romantic outings than Shitrou and his harem of waifus.

Most of the fifth holy grail war's servants are "you get even less than you see".
Heroic spirits have led lives far more interesting than any of the Fifth Holy Grail masters, yet they seem to have the depth of puddles in comparison.
Fate/Zero's servants actually hold their own in screentime and ideology, giving meaning to the fact that these are actually legends resurrected from the past rather than just back drop props for a high school drama.

>2 of his family members vs 6 billion people

Family members > billions of strangers. Fuck all you people.

If there wasn't this chad sama to bring Fate::Stay Night back from the brink of boredom i would have wasted my time watching 26 episodes of rom com high school drama. Yikes.

Attached: e6d18f6643addb7e1708b98db8d28c36.jpg (1965x1107, 105.01K)

Actually i haven't watched all 26 episodes yet because after Archer dies i just can't bring myself to finish the shitty show.

Attached: hgv.png (104x162, 16.82K)

>most idealistic hero in existence
Pretty sure Kiritsugu summoned Saber, who in the memory-dreams she shares with Shirou we know destroyed and burnt the villages of her own people when retreating to deny her opponent the advantage.

Saber has greta ideals and a sense of chivalry, but she's willing to be flexible on them. If Kiritsugu had taken time to frankly talk to Saber about what he wanted, he would have actually found Saber a useful ally. Instead, he chose to believe in the idea of King Arthur as a great an powerful king who was unaware of the ture nature of reality, as otherwise he might have to accept that people greater than him have tried to walk the same path he did of bringing peace and prosperity and still struggled and failed.

Kiritsugu couldn't deal witht he fact that his dream was impossible and constantly convinced himself it was because he or the tools he ahd access to were inadequate to achieve it rather thanf ace reality until the Grail showed him it.

TL;DR - Saber's incredibly pragmastic, Kiritsugu was a sad self-loathing sack of shit.

Yeah guess that's my fault for thinking I could get some form of camaraderie out of a bargain bin troll

Anime is for little kids, the fact your still watching this as an adult should nullify any right you have to complain that it sucks.

Based, fsnfags rushing the thread in anger.

Under no circumstance would Saber have been willing to go along with Kiritsugu's plan to use her as bait to deceive Kayneth and Sola-Ui.
Hell, Kiritsugu's only uses for her if he did communicate with her is simply as bait to get a bead on the master and take him/her out without needing to resort to risking her servant in a fight, depriving Saber of any actual use on the battlefield as a warrior, something she expresses concern with towards the final days of the Holy Grail War in the light novel, but ultimately powerless to do anything about.

And Ufotable/Urobuchi does acknowledge the pragmatism of Saber as they add a scene in the anime shortly after Kiritsugu makes plans to snipe masters going after Caster rather than pursue Caster himself, where she admits that she had to make similarly pragmatic decisions in her own life, but that the Holy Grail War has very clear rules that must be followed, and that Kiritsugu is blatantly disregarding said rules to get a leg up on the competition.
What Saber did in her life could be regarded as immoral, but within the boundary of the few rules there were in war at her time. What Kiritsugu does is take advantage of those who follow the rules meant to prevent unnecessary bloodshed to get himself an advantage. Which is part of what later feeds into their ideological clash in Terminus of Honor, where Saber makes the argument that by constantly breaking rules of engagement you're bringing hell onto earth while Kiritsugu counters that there is nothing glamorous or sanitary about war.

So in the end, Kiritsugu's pragmatism is very different from Saber's. You can have two pragmatists who still stands staunchly opposed to eachother because even utilitarians have their own personal codes they live by.
Ask yourself, do you think EMIYA would have gotten along with Kiritsugu even though they are both utilitarians? If you say yes you don't understand one of their characters or either of them.

Nope, it never was. Fate always was about waifus and chuuni fights.

Tbh EMIYA is the type of man who belittles his own ideals to the ground only to then hold them even tighter every chance he gets. Comparing him to Kerry is iffy with how different they are

Attached: Didn't_read_lol.png (480x360, 245.38K)

Also didn't assasin died first? Or am I misremembering events here? Not like one of the assasins I mean ASSASIN Assasin

Yes, but that was just the servant. The first team eliminated was team Caster bringing the total down to 6 masters, 5 servants still remaining.

Yeah but without the servant and no Zouken hacks "team assasin" effectively died and was replaced with the team Gil we all know and love

Actually communicating and working with Saber would have opened up a number of different opportunities to deal with Kayneth, but he refueseds to consider utilising Saber as an active combat resource despite her own strength because her methods differ from her own.

I don't mean to diminish Kiritsugu as a character, or his methodologies, but rather the overly common idea that Saber is some helplessly naive and idealistic idiot who isn't wise to the realities of war. And I do this ebcause the parallels between Saber and Kiritsugu - both entrusting in the Grail to grant a wish beyond their own power, both invested in their methodologies because they need to trust blindly in them ratehr thans top and consider the flaws in the ideals. Ypu are entitrely correct in your comments about utilitarians, but these debates get boiled down to such simplicty that they strip away some of Zero's best elements in the fervour to criticise Stay Night

As for EMIYA and Kiritsugu, I certainly agree that they wouldn't get along. I'd argue they're probably two of the most incompatible people in the franchise.

Putting assasin in quotes here since they were barely a team to begin with

Because it sells.

I need to watch some more Fate. I've only seen Prisma Illya.

Attached: 1591562652554.jpg (745x1065, 601.81K)

Kerry was as much if not a bigger hard head than Shirou in Zero, so many missed opportunities to capitalize his servant's massive strength pool to focus on his ideals and "own way of doing things" kind of like Shirou, except Shirou actually communicates with Saber wick makes this a non issue for the last quarter of the war

> leaves saber to do her things
> her wrist gets cut by a fucking lancer
lol